Ellis Short and SNQ

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Bri And His Funky Phallus said:
Not when somebody else is installed as chairman mate. The only thing Ellis can take responsibility before the start of last season is investing money into the company. All other calls were Quinny's as his job title suggested. Chairman of the Board.
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Totally agree mate, but the rot set in (4 managers and counting now?) when Short assumed full control of the club.

I still worry that profit is his only motive, investment is way down on his priorities now. I really do think his lack of knowledge in this industry and his overriding business model is purely for profit and is hampering the development.

He sacked Bruce and gave O'Neill funds to save us from relegation. Spend £20+ Million to save losing £40+ Million in the champoinship.

He sacked O'Neill with, what 7/8 games to go knowing that a new manager usually has an immediate, but short term, positive effect on the club.

Net spend of £1.0M this summer and selling the crown jewels in Mignolet & Sessegnon. Both would've probably left any way but similar calibre players were not brough in to replace them with the funds generated.

Now we have Poyet. A manager of enormous potential but I have an awful feeling his appointment was one based as much on cost as ability.

I don't go to the game often but have quite a lot of experience with companies and seeing how they are run, good and bad, from the top and how that affects the whole company from top to bottom.
 
weve gone downhill since sir niall quit as chairman. i dont care how much money it costs (and ellis has it ) he needs to pay to get him back. problem is now hes been chairman for awhile he probably doesnt want to give it up.
 
usa mackem said:
weve gone downhill since sir niall quit as chairman. i dont care how much money it costs (and ellis has it ) he needs to pay to get him back. problem is now hes been chairman for awhile he probably doesnt want to give it up.
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Would snq come back?
 
Shy Tall Knight said:
Totally agree mate, but the rot set in (4 managers and counting now?) when Short assumed full control of the club.

I still worry that profit is his only motive, investment is way down on his priorities now. I really do think his lack of knowledge in this industry and his overriding business model is purely for profit and is hampering the development.

He sacked Bruce and gave O'Neill funds to save us from relegation. Spend £20+ Million to save losing £40+ Million in the champoinship.

He sacked O'Neill with, what 7/8 games to go knowing that a new manager usually has an immediate, but short term, positive effect on the club.

Net spend of £1.0M this summer and selling the crown jewels in Mignolet & Sessegnon. Both would've probably left any way but similar calibre players were not brough in to replace them with the funds generated.

Now we have Poyet. A manager of enormous potential but I have an awful feeling his appointment was one based as much on cost as ability.

I don't go to the game often but have quite a lot of experience with companies and seeing how they are run, good and bad, from the top and how that affects the whole company from top to bottom.
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It has to be mate. Otherwise what's the point? We'll just keep collecting the debt until we can't pay then creditors will step in and into administration we'll go. There's too much money in the game to not run the club as a business and a business must break even before all else.

Eliss is clearly making up for previous mistakes (the wage bill) by a former chairman now he himself has taken the chairman roll. If you ever want us to splash out 30m on players again he needs to do this imo.
 
usa mackem said:
all he can say is no, but i think ellis wants to be the chairman as long as he owns the club.
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Can you blame him after what Quinn and Bruce did to the wage bill? It's his money after all, maybe and quite rightly he wants to take a deeper interest in his investment.
 
totally understand his position. hes invested alot of his own money and knows more about business than we ever will. just my opinion that i would prefer a footballing man in charge.
 
usa mackem said:
totally understand his position. hes invested alot of his own money and knows more about business than we ever will. just my opinion that i would prefer a footballing man in charge.
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The last football man we had in charge thought Bardo was worth a 35 grand a week and Titus 30 grand a week. Knowing football clearly doesn't mean business know how. Quinn clearly couldn't balance the books, what good is that to anyone. We have a football man and he's the DoF. Why does the 'Football man' have to be Chairman?
 
Red and White Mac said:
its not really ellis job though. the manager should be doing that. ellis has never really been one for the limelight. we need to ship the old gaurd out like o'shea, vaughn and seb as it seems to be the guys who have been here for a while who are causing the problems
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Short should of back PDC but he didn't & thats why we are ****. if I was the money man I would of back PDC & if the players didn't like then tuff ****.
 
Bri And His Funky Phallus said:
It has to be mate. Otherwise what's the point? We'll just keep collecting the debt until we can't pay then creditors will step in and into administration we'll go. There's too much money in the game to not run the club as a business and a business must break even before all else.

Eliss is clearly making up for previous mistakes (the wage bill) by a former chairman now he himself has taken the chairman roll. If you ever want us to splash out 30m on players again he needs to do this imo.
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I think we are singing from different sides of the same hymn sheet. You are right, the costs have to be controlled but is he trying to cut them too quickly? Does his lack of experience in sports business hamper his judgement? The club has less chance of breaking even if it is relegated to the championship.

It'll be interesting to see what funds are available in January. Also, if the club is relegated, will we have the same issues as Keane did when he had to overpay mercenary players to guarantee promotion.

The next 2 or 3 years are gonna be some rollercoaster for Sunderland. However, I do think by then the club will be in a much stronger position financially and on the pitch.
 
Nearly 300 million spent, yoyoing for fun and we are no further forward.
All that money and we still haven't had a really competitive team.
 
Bri And His Funky Phallus said:
The last football man we had in charge thought Bardo was worth a 35 grand a week and Titus 30 grand a week. Knowing football clearly doesn't mean business know how. Quinn clearly couldn't balance the books, what good is that to anyone. We have a football man and he's the DoF. Why does the 'Football man' have to be Chairman?
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I would strongly dispute categorising de Fanti as a "football man" mate

He is an agent - a representative of players to make them more money.

I may be wrong here, but I don't believe he has ever coached or managed.

So how the hell can he be in charge of things from a footballing stand point
 
jdsafc said:
I would strongly dispute categorising de Fanti as a "football man" mate

He is an agent - a representative of players to make them more money.

I may be wrong here, but I don't believe he has ever coached or managed.

So how the hell can he be in charge of things from a footballing stand point
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a very good point
 
jdsafc said:
I would strongly dispute categorising de Fanti as a "football man" mate

He is an agent - a representative of players to make them more money.

I may be wrong here, but I don't believe he has ever coached or managed.

So how the hell can he be in charge of things from a footballing stand point
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Did we headhunt him from a travel agent like? He's been an agent for footballers for years, knows every trick in the book. Bet he wouldn't pay Killgallon 25 week. I'd rather have Di Fanti who's brought Giacc in for less money a week than Quinn gave Titus pissing Bramble a week.

Why do we need someone who played or coached in the game to Negotiate transfer fees and wages. It doesn't make sense mate.

De Fanti is a football man in terms of what his Job description requires. An inspired appointment imo. At least he knows what he's ****ing doing (Cough cough Sebs giant signing on fee, 6m for gardner and high wages all round cough cough bardo contract renewal, can sell deadwood as a result of the mess cough cough)
 
Bri And His Funky Phallus said:
Did we headhunt him from a travel agent like? He's been an agent for footballers for years, knows every trick in the book. Bet he wouldn't pay Killgallon 25 week. I'd rather have Di Fanti who's brought Giacc in for less money a week than Quinn gave Titus pissing Bramble a week.

Why do we need someone who played or coached in the game to Negotiate transfer fees and wages. It doesn't make sense mate.

De Fanti is a football man in terms of what his Job description requires. An inspired appointment imo. At least he knows what he's ****ing doing (Cough cough Sebs giant signing on fee, 6m for gardner and high wages all round cough cough bardo contract renewal, can sell deadwood as a result of the mess cough cough)
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14 new signings mate and the only one who looks really capable of stepping up is Giac.

The old saying holds firm, you pay peanuts you end up employing monkeys.

I do agree with you about the daft money some of our players were and are on though.
We have been paying big money and ended up with Chimps.
 
jdsafc said:
I would strongly dispute categorising de Fanti as a "football man" mate

He is an agent - a representative of players to make them more money.

I may be wrong here, but I don't believe he has ever coached or managed.

So how the hell can he be in charge of things from a footballing stand point
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Correct.....


'Relegation is not an option', said ES...

Well Mr Short, what are you going to do, if it becomes reality?
 
We all agree we need a major clearout of the Old Guard and it's only when that happens will we see some progress. We have a decent group of players and given time I think Poyet will get them playing. This season has already turned into an exercise in survival and I don't see how a Board addition will help that. Down to Gus now...
 
flandersmackem said:
Nordic...please re read this thread..I AM NOT BLAMING ANYONE!!!!!
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dude, my remarks were intended for Bri's first paragraph. not accusatory toward yourself.

we have been mis-managed for a long time and remain saddled with ****e playing purchases. first keanes, notably Bruceys and a couple of MONs.

the new system was going to work well (stay up in lower half and rebuild) or explode (and most probably relegated). under PDC it duly exploded. now poyet has seen how pathetic most of these 'experienced' players are i hope to **** he has the balls to shift out the ****e and try the new players we bought in.

i suspect we're relegated, but i'd at least like to see a team that can and will play footie and go down fighting.... so they're ready to fight and get promoted at the first attempt. Bardsley, Oshea, Cuellar, Vaughan, Larsson should not get a first team place. Gards and AJ on the bench. these players will be gone at the end of the season, perhaps bar the last two, so why even bother with them as they don't give a **** and just aren't good enough.
 
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