Agreed, I don't see many non-white spectators at matches here. I've been to games in London, Liverpool and Manchester, for example and have never witnessed this kind of abuse at all...hopefully never, whether directed at me, other fans, players, Norwich City or opposition.
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Agreed, I don't see many non-white spectators at matches here. I've been to games in London, Liverpool and Manchester, for example and have never witnessed this kind of abuse at all...hopefully never, whether directed at me, other fans, players, Norwich City or opposition.
I don't think you can have 27,000 people together and not expect some of them to have some level of racism, we probably all have our prejudices.
I saw something kicking off on there the other day couldn't work out what was originally said, I absolutely despise that page even more then the Norwich FC one which takes some serious beating, it's full of keyboard warriors teenagers and adults from both clubs who should know better, their the type of people who like to act big online but wouldn't back it up in person.
In the days of standing in the old Barkley stand I am sorry but Norwich fans definately used to make "monkey chants" towards opposing black players, it was very embarrassing but did happen.
That's probably the worst I've heard inside CR, but I'm sure it's been worse else ware around the country.
I've heard monkey chants at Carrow Road it was from the Newcastle fans when they visited back in the 80's, I was at another game V Luton at Kenilworth Road sitting in the home end and some angry odious Luton fan called Dale Gordon a dago, I don't know how that one worked out as his not of Italian extraction.
Unfortunately you all seem to be forgetting disgraceful monkey chants a couple of years ago when playing Spurs. Although these were targeted at Gareth Bale , Adebayor was playing.
Harry rightfully criticised this and rightly so. Whatever must Adebayor and other black players thought that night?
Harry rightfully criticised this and rightly so. Whatever must Adebayor and other black players thought that night?
Yes, not a proud day for our club.
To be honest though, this is not really about mass racism or offensive individuals at matches. This is about one utter, utter moron writing something potentially construed as racist (he naturally claims, potentially justifiably, that it has been misinterpreted) on a public Internet platform.
This has nothing to do with appalling racism past and present in stadia across the country. It is nothing to do with Ipswich/Norwich footballing rivalry. It is about taking responsibility and being accountable for what you say and write. After a recent similar dispute on here there are probably a couple of posters thinking "there but for the grace of God..." It is not just racism that is totally unacceptable, it is being perceived as racist that is also unacceptable. The nature of the Internet is that it is easy to misconstrue and very difficult to permanently delete things - everyone should be very careful of what they write.
This is not limited to racism, this means every sort of opinion that is persecutory in nature.
People do need to learn that the internet is not private or anonymous. The internet is not down the pub with your mates, anyone can read it and if what you say is offensive it is extremely easy to find out who you are. it also doesn't go away, google keeps cached pages of old sites so do several different projects. a site like this will easily be able to monitor deleted posts and bring out records of them if requested by the police. Essentially what you are doing on the internet is broadcasting your views and in this sense your a journalist which moves into a whole different realm of legality and accountability for what is said. one day the internet will get this, untill then there will be many of these idiots and they will be easily caught.
I feel it is disingenuous to both Norwich and Ipswich fans and the clubs to relate this to a footballing rivalry, or try to justify it as such.
I feel it is disingenuous to both Norwich and Ipswich fans and the clubs to relate this to a footballing rivalry, or try to justify it as such.
It's difficult to draw the line between 'banter' and vile prejudice of all kinds (racism, sexism, homophobia etc). I'm sure none of us wants to live in a world where we feel the need to mentally police every post we make online or every word we say in 'real' life. Personally, I also don't actually think this approach works, since it just pushes the prejudice under the radar and doesn't do anything to actually confront it and change it.
Having said that, it is generally obvious when something is CLEARLY over that line (e.g. monkey chants) and then the authorities should act.
Having said that, it is generally obvious when something is CLEARLY over that line (e.g. monkey chants) and then the authorities should act.
Eh? I wasn't referring to my recent spats - they have nothing to do with racism. They are about club rivalry and previous arguments - I specifically said this is different.
Spot on. Not sure what planet Gandy's on, but this has absolutely nothing to do with rivalry between clubs
Eh? I wasn't referring to my recent spats - they have nothing to do with racism.
Gotta love a slaphead 'smiley', thanks for that.
My point (I've started and I know you'll keep going to the finish) is that I didn't notice any racist remarks on here during your recent dialogues.
Still don't let that stop you arguing.
I should point out at this juncture, that I absolutely abhor the racism I read about in that article. Reactions can so easily be misconstrued, as is obvious on here.
I'd say that one of the major differences between "Banter" however poor it may be and Prejudice is that largely what people say when bantering isn't true, such as the inbred comments we get thrown at us or the Sheep-shagging comments that the welsh get. Unpleasant and unfunny? Yes. Born of an underlying prejudice? Unlikely. Making comments about people using the fact that they are Black, Female, Gay etc. as an insult or at least in a derogatory way is a prejudice, highlighting a fact about a person that they have no ability to change.
OK, then ignore me, as I will you.
I assure you I'm not a wum, though you can think what you want.
You seem to enjoy annoying everyone you come across. I can't remember in many years of 'wumming' to my fellow canaries ever really falling out with anyone.
Feck it, here's the deal - you carry on, I'll leave the forum. Have 'fun'
I assure you I'm not a wum, though you can think what you want.
You seem to enjoy annoying everyone you come across. I can't remember in many years of 'wumming' to my fellow canaries ever really falling out with anyone.
Feck it, here's the deal - you carry on, I'll leave the forum. Have 'fun'
No, it's fine. I don't use the ignorebutton. I'll leave, just as Guru and JWM wanted. Everybody hates me apparently, and I'm getting attacked even when it's not relevant, so not much point posting.
I think I misunderstood your point from the "Get a grip" part. It sounded like you were more carrying out a personal attack of no relevance to the topic at hand for no apparent reason. Or perhaps it's just because I annoyed you somehow on another thread and therefore it was deserved.
Nothing is private, social networking sites are the worst places were people are at their dumbest, some of my friends who are managers befriend their new team members and go through their Facebook profiles etc with a fine tooth comb, you'll be surprised what you find out luckily none of them have been Neo Nazi's or religious fundamentalists etc, some people don't half put some trashy and unprofessional stuff on there though, also I'm not talking about people swearing or having the odd rant here or there too.
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