Bardsley Suspended

[Tel (they/them)]

This is a Di Canio problem for me, nothing more.

The guy likes to air his dirty laundry in public, there's no denying that and I think this type of thing could end up a regular occurrence throughout Di Canio's managerial career. He has proven in his short time as manager in England that he has extreme man-management skills. He can't publicly humiliate a player and still expect loyalty, he may be manager and he may be the boss but he's also going to rub some people up the wrong way who won't stand for his outbursts. For example, would you think he'd dare say anything on the training pitch to Roy Keane, or to Vinnie Jones? Would he ****, he'd get his head caved in and that's the reason he's going to rub people up the wrong way, he plays a big shot dictator with all the passion and excitement but in every walk of human life, the hard model approach to management (the iron fist) will be met with hostility by some, in any industry.

Bardsley has done wrong, he's evidently a pathetic little idiot but he's acted after being bullied publicly by Di Canio. He'll have been made to feel that unwelcome at Sunderland that he no longer has any loyalty, other than the fact he's got to turn up to stupid events or matches because he's paid to essentially jump through hoops until he finds a new club. Bardsley isn't the only one either, others have left and others will leave, Cattermole looks like he might be on borrowed time for example.

I'm all for a manager with the passion and enthusiasm of Di Canio but you won't get anywhere with his man-management style in a hurry. Players won't respond like they used to, they have too many rights now, I know it and you all know it so whenever Di Canio tries a little fine like he did at Swindon on a player, he'll be met with hostility; at Swindon the players of that calibre will have idolised him and hung on to his every word, but at this level, none of them will give a **** who he is, he was a good player but let's face it Roy Keane was a good player and where did he get?

Di Canio isn't suited for this league in my opinion, I think he'd be better suited at a club in China where they'll really afford him the discipline he craves, these BPL kids just don't care. I would love to be proven wrong, because I love the bloke and what he brings to the neutral, and I love that passion he brings to every single decision or kick of a ball, I really think his ideal of having finely tuned athletes, well regimented would make the game so much more competitive, but I can't see it working on this generation of footballers.

 

[marcusblackcat]

This is a Di Canio problem for me, nothing more.

The guy likes to air his dirty laundry in public, there's no denying that and I think this type of thing could end up a regular occurrence throughout Di Canio's managerial career. He has proven in his short time as manager in England that he has extreme man-management skills. He can't publicly humiliate a player and still expect loyalty, he may be manager and he may be the boss but he's also going to rub some people up the wrong way who won't stand for his outbursts. For example, would you think he'd dare say anything on the training pitch to Roy Keane, or to Vinnie Jones? Would he ****, he'd get his head caved in and that's the reason he's going to rub people up the wrong way, he plays a big shot dictator with all the passion and excitement but in every walk of human life, the hard model approach to management (the iron fist) will be met with hostility by some, in any industry.

Bardsley has done wrong, he's evidently a pathetic little idiot but he's acted after being bullied publicly by Di Canio. He'll have been made to feel that unwelcome at Sunderland that he no longer has any loyalty, other than the fact he's got to turn up to stupid events or matches because he's paid to essentially jump through hoops until he finds a new club. Bardsley isn't the only one either, others have left and others will leave, Cattermole looks like he might be on borrowed time for example.

I'm all for a manager with the passion and enthusiasm of Di Canio but you won't get anywhere with his man-management style in a hurry. Players won't respond like they used to, they have too many rights now, I know it and you all know it so whenever Di Canio tries a little fine like he did at Swindon on a player, he'll be met with hostility; at Swindon the players of that calibre will have idolised him and hung on to his every word, but at this level, none of them will give a **** who he is, he was a good player but let's face it Roy Keane was a good player and where did he get?

Di Canio isn't suited for this league in my opinion, I think he'd be better suited at a club in China where they'll really afford him the discipline he craves, these BPL kids just don't care. I would love to be proven wrong, because I love the bloke and what he brings to the neutral, and I love that passion he brings to every single decision or kick of a ball, I really think his ideal of having finely tuned athletes, well regimented would make the game so much more competitive, but I can't see it working on this generation of footballers.

But Terry - Di Canio was questioned about it last season and answered only questions - he did not create the story and did not come out and say Phil Bardsley is this and that - he stated something when asked about a player lying on the floor of a casino. We have no doubt had other players - you mentioned Cattermole - that hve had problems but if a player makes an idiot of himself in public why shouldn't the manager make an idiot of them when asked about it??

He will no doubt have run ins with other players but if you notice, there has been no publicised idiocy from any other players on the books after this escapade so it looks like it's worked to me. Each to their own but I would like more managers to be more honest like Di Canio. Ferguson said "Wayne Rooney has put in a transfer request" - yet wayne rooney says he hasn't - different scenario but exactly the same type of thing from the manager - he was asked a question about something which could easily be kept in house and he told the press what they wanted to hear (and has done it twice with Rooney now)

 

[Moorsleymountainman]

Players can be fined a maximum of 2 weeks wages. In extreme circumstances, say refusing to turn up for work (Tevez) they can be re-fined.

As for above. i believe the new guys coming in are aware of what PDC wants and will adhere to the rules. Common knowledge that players took the piss with discipline and were told they would no longer get away with it. As fans we moan that our clubs don't tell us whats going on and with PDC we are getting that and for one, I'm not dissapointed with that. PDC (imo) doesn't want anyone he hasn't signed. If he had the money he would have brought 25 in and let 25 go, thats's for sure.

 

[marcusblackcat]

Players can be fined a maximum of 2 weeks wages. In extreme circumstances, say refusing to turn up for work (Tevez) they can be re-fined.

As for above. i believe the new guys coming in are aware of what PDC wants and will adhere to the rules. Common knowledge that players took the piss with discipline and were told they would no longer get away with it. As fans we moan that our clubs don't tell us whats going on and with PDC we are getting that and for one, I'm not dissapointed with that. PDC (imo) doesn't want anyone he hasn't signed. If he had the money he would have brought 25 in and let 25 go, thats's for sure.

That bold comment is a bold comment (ahem!!) - think you're wrong though - O'Shea and Colback he seems to want - Sessegnon is "in his plans" (although, if many are to be believed, his head has been turned by the Qatari cash). He's said he's excited about working with Fletcher so I have to disagree - but, that's just my opinion!

 

[sanddancersoftheworlduniteandtakeover]

This is a Di Canio problem for me, nothing more.

The guy likes to air his dirty laundry in public, there's no denying that and I think this type of thing could end up a regular occurrence throughout Di Canio's managerial career. He has proven in his short time as manager in England that he has extreme man-management skills. He can't publicly humiliate a player and still expect loyalty, he may be manager and he may be the boss but he's also going to rub some people up the wrong way who won't stand for his outbursts. For example, would you think he'd dare say anything on the training pitch to Roy Keane, or to Vinnie Jones? Would he ****, he'd get his head caved in and that's the reason he's going to rub people up the wrong way, he plays a big shot dictator with all the passion and excitement but in every walk of human life, the hard model approach to management (the iron fist) will be met with hostility by some, in any industry.

Bardsley has done wrong, he's evidently a pathetic little idiot but he's acted after being bullied publicly by Di Canio. He'll have been made to feel that unwelcome at Sunderland that he no longer has any loyalty, other than the fact he's got to turn up to stupid events or matches because he's paid to essentially jump through hoops until he finds a new club. Bardsley isn't the only one either, others have left and others will leave, Cattermole looks like he might be on borrowed time for example.

I'm all for a manager with the passion and enthusiasm of Di Canio but you won't get anywhere with his man-management style in a hurry. Players won't respond like they used to, they have too many rights now, I know it and you all know it so whenever Di Canio tries a little fine like he did at Swindon on a player, he'll be met with hostility; at Swindon the players of that calibre will have idolised him and hung on to his every word, but at this level, none of them will give a **** who he is, he was a good player but let's face it Roy Keane was a good player and where did he get?

Di Canio isn't suited for this league in my opinion, I think he'd be better suited at a club in China where they'll really afford him the discipline he craves, these BPL kids just don't care. I would love to be proven wrong, because I love the bloke and what he brings to the neutral, and I love that passion he brings to every single decision or kick of a ball, I really think his ideal of having finely tuned athletes, well regimented would make the game so much more competitive, but I can't see it working on this generation of footballers.

He didn't publicly humiliate Bardsley. He gave a direct order no to go out. Bardsley went out and posted the photos! He castigated him and Bardsley (egged on by his Mrs.) went straight to the Players Union In order to humiliate the Boss. (He wouldn't have dared done it during his time at Man U)

In any industry where you work there are rules. You break them and you are out (after a disciplinary process) can you imagine the uproar at your work if you annoyed the boss and your lass then had a go at him?

If he had have taken his punishment originally and kept his head down and got on with it we wouldn't have heard any more of it.

In the news this morning Fletcher has been told off (will he do a Bardsley?) probably not. Cattermole is another that is keeping his head down like a true professional.

What Paolo doesn't allow, like the previous managers is for the players to 'take the piss'. We all pay his wage and we are all entitled to expect him to toe the line. I and i'm sure a lot of people on this forum think its about time.

What happened to Bardsley at Rangers?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11667_2393043,00+en-USS_01DBC.html

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/bardsley-in-rangers-trouble.131226/

 

[Brian Storm]

This is a Di Canio problem for me, nothing more.

The guy likes to air his dirty laundry in public,(Bardsley made it public, we as supporters needed to see swift action after a lot unprofessional behaviour at the club before PDC came to the the club. He did the right thing and most agree with him) there's no denying that and I think this type of thing could end up a regular occurrence throughout Di Canio's managerial career. He has proven in his short time as manager in England that he has extreme man-management skills(he's firm but fair, give me an example of extreem management? Subbing a keeper for not giving a ****? Firm but fair). He can't publicly humiliate a player and still expect loyalty, he may be manager and he may be the boss but he's also going to rub some people up the wrong way who won't stand for his outbursts. For example, would you think he'd dare say anything on the training pitch to Roy Keane, or to Vinnie Jones? Would he ****, he'd get his head caved in and that's the reason he's going to rub people up the wrong way,(Now you're just being ridiculous talking bollocks about hypathetical situations that can't happen, give over) he plays a big shot dictator (Think you'll find the term dictator has been branded about by the media and narrow minded people like yourself) with all the passion and excitement but in every walk of human life, the hard model approach to management (the iron fist) will be met with hostility by some, in any industry(What like Alex Ferguson and his famous firm approach and hairdryer approach ).

Bardsley has done wrong, he's evidently a pathetic little idiot but he's acted after being bullied publicly by Di Canio. (Paolo defended the honor of our club after that dickhead dragged our club through the mud by allowing unprofessional pictures to be published publicly.It demanded a public reaction as it was already in the public domian. Bardo was not bullied, he turned up to training still half cut mate)) He'll have been made to feel that unwelcome at Sunderland that he no longer has any loyalty (What about Bardo's loyalty to us? Over paid, Bad performances, getting pissed after another dreadful performance. He's shown no loyalty to our club what so ever. Bardo blew it and the latest incident just shows how right PDC was. We want athletes giving 100% not piss heads who pick up a wage and don't give a ****.), other than the fact he's got to turn up to stupid events or matches because he's paid to essentially jump through hoops until he finds a new club. Bardsley isn't the only one either, others have left and others will leave, Cattermole looks like he might be on borrowed time for example.(Only media speculation, He has a squad number and he's working towards fitness after injury, your comments are unfounded, all we know for fact is we've signed a better player to play in his position, I like every manager wants two for each position. Catts will play back up while he proves his fitness and worth. Quite standard really.)

I'm all for a manager with the passion and enthusiasm of Di Canio but you won't get anywhere with his man-management style in a hurry.(Doesn't matter though, He's not your manager. Our players are happy with his man management, large chunks of them have come out and said so, don't make up problems that aren't there.) Players won't respond like they used to, they have too many rights now,(Funny, the Fulham performance say's otherwise) I know it and you all know it so whenever Di Canio tries a little fine like he did at Swindon on a player, he'll be met with hostility; at Swindon the players of that calibre will have idolised him and hung on to his every word, but at this level, none of them will give a **** who he is, he was a good player but let's face it Roy Keane was a good player and where did he get? (roy didn't even turn up for training, Paolo is hands on and takes most of the sessions himself. What ever fucxked up world you live in, I think you'll find the players have no problem with Paolo. You're speculating just like the media. It's bollocks mate)

Di Canio isn't suited for this league in my opinion(We'll see, not that you opinion is in any way relavent to our club), I think he'd be better suited at a club in China where they'll really afford him the discipline he craves, these BPL kids just don't care. I would love to be proven wrong, because I love the bloke and what he brings to the neutral, and I love that passion he brings to every single decision or kick of a ball, I really think his ideal of having finely tuned athletes, well regimented would make the game so much more competitive, but I can't see it working on this generation of footballers. (Say's more about you and your ethic than Paolo's Because he's doing it and it's already working.)

Mate, I know you have narcissistic characteristics and like to float the boards spreading your self important 'wisdom' but you've no idea what you're on about (much like the JoS comments about running about like messi ) You're turning into a wum with your media fed opinions on Paolo. You clearly never saw the Fulham game otherwise you'd acknowledge the transformation. I for one wish you'd piss off now.

 

[Moorsleymountainman]

25 in and 25 out a little tongue in cheek granted. But it's not too far away.

spot on SDOTWUATO..

 

[Washysafc]

Agree with early post, if this is true it's got to be gross misconduct, and fire him, it's gotta be the same as other walks of life, undefendable.

Shame season before last, quality, but omg has he burned bridges in last few months

Can you sack anybody on the sick though, constructive dismissal, arghhhhh

Yes you can. If the behaviour is not a result of their ill health they are still reasponsible for their behaviour.

Unless he is so stressed that he can not attend a hearing the disciplinary procedure will continue. Even then providing the employer has taken reasonable steps to allow him to give his side of the story they could still go to a hearing with out him. A bit risky but it does happen.

The key will be what the disciplinary policy of the club says is misconduct and what is gross misconduct.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Di Canio ranted for about half an hour about Bardsley and discipline a couple months ago, recently he's doubled that with an hour long rant to the media.

Opinions on players, actions, discipline and how you think he's a refreshing change are exactly that, opinions, what isn't up for debate is that inviting the media into your club with open arms and giving them shoot from the hip stuff, in hour-long rants, will never produce any positive effect. The media are the filth of the world, why your club would feed them anything but scraps is beyond me, if you want a message to the fans, get it to the fans directly, not via some two bit journo, when has any manager worth his salt given a ****ing journalist anything worthwhile?

Bardsley has been made an example of, for good reason (I don't disagree with the target, just the method) but he should be made an example of, in house, the media shouldn't need to be privy to this.

For what it's worth, Fergie's word means far more than any fat scouser's word to any United fan.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Bri, You can think you know me, you can pass your unfounded judgement on me by all means, it's irrelevant anyhow you're only wasting your own time. I can give an opinion if I like, you don't have to read it do you? I can write anywhere on this forum as it's an open forum, you don't have to read any of it. I will write what I think is fair, what I'm seeing through my eyes and what I'm reading will form my OPINION, mate, and if it's wrong then I won't be the first to have a wrong opinion in history, so I'm probably going to lose very little sleep over it.

You can claim what you want and I'll respect that, I'll admit I just skimmed over that stuff above, fairly one sided to be honest, you don't know the guy any more than I do despite his affinity with your club, really I'm just as much qualified to pass my opinion as you are, mate.

 

[Brian Storm]

Bri, You can think you know me, you can pass your unfounded judgement on me by all means, it's irrelevant anyhow you're only wasting your own time. I can give an opinion if I like, you don't have to read it do you? I can write anywhere on this forum as it's an open forum, you don't have to read any of it. I will write what I think is fair, what I'm seeing through my eyes and what I'm reading will form my OPINION, mate, and if it's wrong then I won't be the first to have a wrong opinion in history, so I'm probably going to lose very little sleep over it.

You can claim what you want and I'll respect that, I'll admit I just skimmed over that stuff above, fairly one sided to be honest, you don't know the guy any more than I do despite his affinity with your club, really I'm just as much qualified to pass my opinion as you are, mate.

That's bollocks mate, that's like me saying I know just as much as what's going on at your club then you do. I know I don't. I'm not that ignorant think I do. I've got a lot of good and bad views on your manager and club. I don't come on your board telling you your club and managers faults. Of Course you're entitled to your opinions, even if they're completely warped. It's a matter of respect mate. You show none, so you'll get none back from me. Keep reading those papers. Every word must be true.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

How is it bollocks? What insider information other than opinion and gossip do you have that I haven't been able to have access to regarding Paolo Di Canio? I'll openly debate with you on here but you seem to be devout of the necessary skills, you basically flat out refuse stuff as bollocks and twist my words. I was referring to Di Canio, not your club, mate.

Anyhow, whatever. I'm keeping my opinion for now pal, if it changes then great!

 

[Disco down under]

How is it bollocks? What insider information other than opinion and gossip do you have that I haven't been able to have access to regarding Paolo Di Canio? I'll openly debate with you on here but you seem to be devout of the necessary skills, you basically flat out refuse stuff as bollocks and twist my words. I was referring to Di Canio, not your club, mate.

Anyhow, whatever. I'm keeping my opinion for now pal, if it changes then great!

Do you watch all of Di Canio's interviews with SAFC TV/SAFSee?

 

[bobgee]

I posted something several weeks ago suggesting we let Bardsley rot in the reserves and received dog's abuse from Billy D. He said we should sell him as "we are not Manchester f*****g City" amongst other stuff aimed at me in reply. Fair enough, his opinion so I let it go at that.
The reason I posted it was because at that time I knew some background information. Some weeks before his dismissal MON had commented that he had fined more players in his time at Sunderland than in all of his managerial career combined. I don't know specifics of why they were fined, just that they were.
It suggests to me that the tail was wagging the dog when Di Canio arrived and he put a stop to it. Wonder how Mr Hardcastle would have handled it?

 

[Brian Storm]

Do you watch all of Di Canio's interviews with SAFC TV/SAFSee?

Of course he does mate, He must do, he must read our fanzines, read our local rags and talk daily with sunderland fans too cause he's just as informed as we are apparently.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I don't read half the stuff that you lot do about your club on forums, far less in fact but it's a bit hypocritical to say I get all my ****e knowledge from the media then disclose the source of all of your knowledge as some ****ing online forum! I obviously don't watch SAFSee either but let's face it, what of any relevance is ever going to be on there without finding it's way into the national press? You lot have had him as manager for all of 20 minutes yet some of you know the ins and outs of Di Canio? Jesus Christ at least allow for some concession, you can't expect everyone to just accept that because he's your manager the fans of other clubs know **** all about him, and if you are going to make that inference at least back it up with some stuff that I might not know, educate me and I'll humbly admit that I know very little to some of you in comparison.

My point was solely made with regards to Di Canio, not Sunderland football club, of course I know very little with regards to your club and by the same logic, I wouldn't expect any of you lot to know any less about David Moyes than I would.

 

[Billy Death]

I posted something several weeks ago suggesting we let Bardsley rot in the reserves and received dog's abuse from Billy D. He said we should sell him as "we are not Manchester f*****g City" amongst other stuff aimed at me in reply. Fair enough, his opinion so I let it go at that.
The reason I posted it was because at that time I knew some background information. Some weeks before his dismissal MON had commented that he had fined more players in his time at Sunderland than in all of his managerial career combined. I don't know specifics of why they were fined, just that they were.
It suggests to me that the tail was wagging the dog when Di Canio arrived and he put a stop to it. Wonder how Mr Hardcastle would have handled it?

I've defended Bardsley to the hilt purely for his committment.
If you have an ITK then alright. I do not.

 

[Brian Storm]

I don't read half the stuff that you lot do about your club on forums, far less in fact but it's a bit hypocritical to say I get all my ****e knowledge from the media then disclose the source of all of your knowledge as some ****ing online forum! I obviously don't watch SAFSee either but let's face it, what of any relevance is ever going to be on there without finding it's way into the national press? You lot have had him as manager for all of 20 minutes yet some of you know the ins and outs of Di Canio? Jesus Christ at least allow for some concession, you can't expect everyone to just accept that because he's your manager the fans of other clubs know **** all about him, and if you are going to make that inference at least back it up with some stuff that I might not know, educate me and I'll humbly admit that I know very little to some of you in comparison.

My point was solely made with regards to Di Canio, not Sunderland football club, of course I know very little with regards to your club and by the same logic, I wouldn't expect any of you lot to know any less about David Moyes than I would.

Now who's twisting words? You claimed you knew just as much as us, we object as we know we know more than you, i'll put that down as fact as you've just said you don't take source from the same outlets. And now you're claiming we're saying that we know everything about him? You're making a bit of a tit of yourself aren't you? Just my opinion of course

 

[Rick O'Shea]

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[Tel (they/them)]

Bri you're clutching at straws mate, surely the "20 minute" tongue in cheek comment tells you I'm not being specific? I drew up two extremes pal to emphasise a point, it's basic stuff, it seems to go over most people's head but hits you straight in the skull and gets stuck. Of course I don't take source from the same outlets, but in case you haven't realised, ironically, forums are full of mostly people's opinion on NEWS (noteworthy information). Forgive my naivety but I doubt much factual, noteworthy information starts off on a forum of football fans discussing their opinions on what team you might field in the upcoming match.

If you're implying that you glean substantial and relevant information from SAFC media outlets that give you (IN DEPTH) knowledge on a bloke who's worked for your club for not very long at all, then go ahead, (I'll repeat myself) educate me on what you claim to have stored in your vast bunker of Di Canio-based information.

This has got ridiculous by the way, it wasn't even the point I was emphasising to begin with it was just a throw away comment that you've taken upon yourself Bri, to perform root canal on a throw away comment because you're that convinced that if you can prove that I know less about PDC than you do, that makes my opinion void and yours will be validated.