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You do see how absurd you are, when you introduce relegation in the context of a manager that has kept us in the top 4, for 15 years.

You can't discuss anything rationally with a person that seems to think that because I support a manger that has qualified us for the Champions league for that long, I would therefore support him if he got us relegated.

How does your mind work, such that you can make that logical step? Are you brain damaged?

There's support, and there's blind loyalty. You fall into the 2nd camp, hence my disregard for anything you say.
 
Itv quote Die Welt, who say this:

The speculation about the future of Luiz Gustavo to an end. According to information of Die Welt changes the Brazilian Bayern Munich with immediate effect to VfL Wolfsburg. The defensive midfielder is there to get a long-term contract.

In recent weeks, the 26-year-old had been repeatedly associated with a farewell to Wolfsburg. Now was the agreement. Probably at the express request of VW CEO Martin Winterkorn.

"I say if it is a player on the market, efforts should be made to him. VfL Wolfsburg also had" Winterkorn said in late July. Now the deal is apparently perfect.

Gustavo was changed two years ago to 1899 Hoffenheim for around 17 million euros to Munich. But under the new coach Pep Guardiola he had last seen his dwindling use opportunities. "I'm at Bayern currently in a very delicate situation. I want to leave personal and professional reasons," Gustavo had said earlier this week.

Visitors from Spain, England and Russia

Prospective there was ample: Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge Board reported last of offers from all over Europe and Germany also had next to Spain, England and Russia. And level of VfL Wolfsburg - According to media reports, Arsenal, Dynamo Moscow, Napoli and even the FC Barcelona were considered as candidates.

Luiz Gustavo had last felt clearly that he - is probably not needed - otherwise still under Guardiola's predecessor as Jupp Heynckes. After his extended vacation Confederations Cup, he missed much of the preparation, then the new star coach indulged the proud Brazilians use only one test match. In the cup against amateur club Rehden Luiz Gustavo was just a little to the 18-man squad for Bayern as Bundesliga opener against Gladbach.

"There's not much to talk about," commented Gustavo recently rather be supercooled relationship with Guardiola. "We talk to each other from time to time, but nothing special. Learn more about personal than professional matters."

This game practice is important for him: In a year is the World Championships at home for the Brazilians - and coach Luiz Felipe Scolari has already announced plan only with professionals who also regulars at their clubs. That will probably be the case in Wolfsburg.

I'll believe it once they get a quote or confirmation from one of the parties involved.
 
Itv quote Die Welt, who say this:



I'll believe it once they get a quote or confirmation from one of the parties involved.

Based on news from the end of July. Kicker also reported their interest a few days ago. Bild simply copied the text from Die Welt. Hmmm.
 
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was true though. I swear people wait for us to be linked to a player, and then sign them because we're still fannying around trying to get the top off the money jar.

Some would say the other clubs are acting too quickly for us to compete with. <whistle>
 
If it's true then how the Feck does Wolfsburg beat us to signing a player? Really? Only thing this points to is we were never in for him in the first place. This then leads me to think, who the Feck are we in for?
 
If it's true then how the Feck does Wolfsburg beat us to signing a player? Really? Only thing this points to is we were never in for him in the first place. This then leads me to think, who the Feck are we in for?

Take this path if Wolfsburg do indeed sign Gustavo.
 
Take this path if Wolfsburg do indeed sign Gustavo.

Worst summer I can remember for transfers in a long, long while. Absolutely shocking the way we have run business if we allow WoB to outbid us for a player and they aren't even in the CL. Beggars belief. Still holding onto a faint hope that we may find out more when he makes this "announcement" tomorrow.
 
Worst summer I can remember for transfers in a long, long while. Absolutely shocking the way we have run business if we allow WoB to outbid us for a player and they aren't even in the CL. Beggars belief. Still holding onto a faint hope that we may find out more when he makes this "announcement" tomorrow.

It's been a weird one, by far the least successful in terms of names coming in that I can remember under Wenger, yet one that has began with this forced 'loadsamoney' braggadocio from Gazidis. It's hard to judge how hard they've worked on transfers - what info they had before the window opened, who they've chased, and how many man hours have went into it all - but Arsene will ultimately be judged on who (if anyone outside Sanogo) he brings in and how the season pans out as a result.
 
It's incredible that this was actually supposed to be our best summer in years, no key players leaving, and announcements that we have £70+ million to spend; every one knows that we are 2 or 3 stand out players away from competing, and add a couple extra and we are certain challengers, and yet there's been absolutely nothing (barring Sanogo). I honestly don't know what to make of it all, I've been so confident all summer that something will happen, so confident that we'll finally get to see something exciting.

I just don't know whether to keep deluding myself and hoping that we do something of note or whether to perhaps stand back and re-evaluate, because the way things are going at the moment, it seems that Wenger is perfectly happy with the team. And if that is the case, then I think come the end of the season - performance depending - we may have to part ways with him. I absolutely hate to say it, but that's how it is. How someone with such great resources available can almost purposefully seem to sabotage the development of the club for no apparent reason at all is disgusting.

We have a little under 3 weeks left and things can change very quickly, and I hope they do, but if they don't, it's going to be a very long and hard season, and I might unfortunately end up falling in line with those that don't want Wenger at the club any more.
 
It's incredible that this was actually supposed to be our best summer in years, no key players leaving, and announcements that we have £70+ million to spend; every one knows that we are 2 or 3 stand out players away from competing, and add a couple extra and we are certain challengers, and yet there's been absolutely nothing (barring Sanogo). I honestly don't know what to make of it all, I've been so confident all summer that something will happen, so confident that we'll finally get to see something exciting.

I just don't know whether to keep deluding myself and hoping that we do something of note or whether to perhaps stand back and re-evaluate, because the way things are going at the moment, it seems that Wenger is perfectly happy with the team. And if that is the case, then I think come the end of the season - performance depending - we may have to part ways with him. I absolutely hate to say it, but that's how it is. How someone with such great resources available can almost purposefully seem to sabotage the development of the club for no apparent reason at all is disgusting.

We have a little under 3 weeks left and things can change very quickly, and I hope they do, but if they don't, it's going to be a very long and hard season, and I might unfortunately end up falling in line with those that don't want Wenger at the club any more.

The problem is that, with the nature of how much of this business works, we can't reliably judge whether or not Wenger has 'purposefully sabotage(d) the development of the club'. We're given scant information - usually found in a mire of bullshit - as to the goings on in the transfer window yet we all want to get it straight in our heads as to exactly why things have happened the way they have, which can't be done sufficiently. As I say, he'll be judged on how the team do next year as well as how he and his team does this month. Here's hoping that any shortcomings in the transfer market are well covered by the players already there.
 
I totally applaud the board and management team for the removal of the deadwood, but without quality, proven replacements our squad is a few injuries away from mid table. Lose Jack, Cazorla and Kos and we would be seriously up against it.
 
It's incredible that this was actually supposed to be our best summer in years, no key players leaving, and announcements that we have £70+ million to spend; every one knows that we are 2 or 3 stand out players away from competing, and add a couple extra and we are certain challengers, and yet there's been absolutely nothing (barring Sanogo). I honestly don't know what to make of it all, I've been so confident all summer that something will happen, so confident that we'll finally get to see something exciting.

I just don't know whether to keep deluding myself and hoping that we do something of note or whether to perhaps stand back and re-evaluate, because the way things are going at the moment, it seems that Wenger is perfectly happy with the team. And if that is the case, then I think come the end of the season - performance depending - we may have to part ways with him. I absolutely hate to say it, but that's how it is. How someone with such great resources available can almost purposefully seem to sabotage the development of the club for no apparent reason at all is disgusting.

We have a little under 3 weeks left and things can change very quickly, and I hope they do, but if they don't, it's going to be a very long and hard season, and I might unfortunately end up falling in line with those that don't want Wenger at the club any more.

I think there are a few things here.

1. We need numbers. I'm not going to decide that Wenger is doing a bad job picking players because of my opinion of how good they are, until they play for us, but we do need more players. As much as we are hopeful about Gnabry etc. these guys are not ready. So, we need to make signings. I will reserve judgement on how good they are until I see them play, but I will be unhappy if we don't get enough players.

2. We need the team to gel and we don't want to destroy the team spirit and understanding we seem to have right now, or betray the loyalty of these players that pulled through against the odds last season. I would be pissed off if Wenger signed 5 players and they all started the first game. The players have to be integrated slowly and they will not be starters straight away. If you were hoping for an out with the old, in with the new, galacticos approach then I think you were being a little unrealistic.

3. I think our team are a lot closer to being excellent than we give them credit for, which makes improving them that much harder.
 
Wenger IMO is judged 3 times this season.
Once has passed. When August arrived and he'd signed no-one significant, he failed the first test.
The second test is at the end of the transfer window.
The third test is at the end of the season.

If he fails to sign players, but the team challenge for the title, I will forgive him, for he knows more than I.
If he fails to sign players, and the team fall short of a prolonged title challenge, he should leave.
 
I totally applaud the board and management team for the removal of the deadwood, but without quality, proven replacements our squad is a few injuries away from mid table. Lose Jack, Cazorla and Kos and we would be seriously up against it.

Just lose Arteta and top 4 isn't a remote possibility.

Any combination of no-Arteta midfield is completely untested against decent sides. Actually it was, back in January which was the worst (or thereabouts) month of the season if I recall correctly.


The guy isn't a DM for sure, but his influence is downplayed tremendously here. Even with the excellent season Kos had this guy will still be the most irreplaceable player in the team if we don't get a real DM and play a more conventional midfield.
 
Even the diehard Wengerites have to agree that this transfer window is going pretty badly. The team isn't good enough to challenge, that is a clear fact. Yes it's a good team but it won't win the league, that is clear to see. The squad itself is clearly too thin, this is what Wenger himself admitted. The board, including Wenger have officially come out and said we no longer have any financial constrains, in fact, everything is absolutely fabulous. For the first time in ages Wenger can now buy the players he wants. The big question is why hasn't he? In the early days, he never once stopped himself from buying quality, when the money was available. Maybe he's set in his ways now. Maybe he's so used to not spending now that he finds the prospect of spending large amounts of money repulsive? Or maybe he has no intention of signing another contract so that's why he isn't bothered about signing any players? Maybe he has a master plan and we'll end up with some amazing players. Who knows....