Anyone else beginning to get a bit fed up with the usual suspects trotting over from the Binners board every single time there's the slightest hint of a disagreement on our board? Honestly. Take a look back over the past few months and it's painfully, almost embarassingly obvious. Two to three Ipswich posters just carping away on the sidelines trying to stir up bad feeling. Keep a look out and you'll spot it now when it happens. (Best posts are the ones where they start grizzling about being picked on and censored by nasty Norwich mods. Then they go back to their own board and slag all of us off. Pathetic really). It really does look like an organized, frankly petty series of attacks on any and all high-profile NCFC posters. As if they know they can't equal us on the field so they're determined to plsy dog in the manger on our part of the forum. Honestly guys. I like the over-the-border banter as much as the next man. But just give the self-righteous whining a rest for a couple of weeks. Please.
I thought that we were all in agreement about this particular point, that it was your own posters who caused some of your top boys to leave? But don't let what really happened get in the way of your argument...
Actually, and while we're setting records straight here Rob (I'll come onto the manipulating of the truth in a bit), there were indeed a number of reasons why I stopped posting on here, but let me assure you 100% that anything posted by any of the binners was absolutely not one of them, so please stop writing my script for me eh chap? I know you fancy yourself more than a bit, and I know how much you enjoy playing the holier than thou card, but please don't try to assume what is going on in my head, and please, please, please don't EVER speak for me -and if you really must then please don't twist the truth and make things up to suit your agenda, it really isn't cool, ok? Like I said there were a few reasons I lost the interest in posting (after being pretty much a daily poster for a few years) that have nothing to do with anyone on here - work got busier, spending less time online and more with the family, out in the garden most evenings working on my flower beds - but if we're talking about tipping points then it was definitely that row we had that did it for me, and if it was down to one individual then I'm afraid it was you old boy. That row was about nothing really, but I saw something in your attack on me that I didn't like, and it only confirmed suspicions I already had by then that despite you undoubtedly posting quite a lot of sensible, informed and largely interesting stuff on here about the Canaries I find you to be a bit of a pedantic pillock with it's head stuck so far up it's own backside it's untrue. And not just that, you happily move the goalposts in a debate just to suit you, and you bully your way through arguments using your assumed superior intellect - again, not cool chap, and not the kind of thing I can be bothered to use up my free time being annoyed about. I tried the ignore button, for about a week as you say, but with you posting on pretty much every thread it became even more annoying than reading what you'd actually written. And that's pretty much when all those other factors I listed above took effect and I thought **** it, can't be arsed getting involved anymore. Yes, I was a bit put out by Dave's reaction to that situation (as I told him via PM), but I can assure you that he also was absolutely nothing to do with me staying away either, nothing at all. Always respected all the mods and the superb effort they put in, they call it wrong sometimes in my opinion, but I've got absolutely no problem with any of them at all. As for the binners, if I'm being honest I've never actually paid that much attention to anything they say, and I don't really have any particular feeling about any of them. I see that Guru bloke used to wind people up something chronic, but it's never ever bothered me, I generally just tend to feel sorry for them. I still dip in and read the odd thread that looks interesting (the transfer sticky for example) but don't really feel the urge to throw in my two penneth any more - and you know what, I haven't missed it at all! Had to pop in on this one however, since my name was being taken in vain and all and thought I should just put it straight - should anyone be the slightest bit interested that is! Oh, and as for all these apologies you apparently kept dishing out Rob, I did see you apologise a couple of times for your use of language and if you offended anyone, but I certainly never received a straight-forward apology myself from you, not at all. If you'd have PM'd me at any point and explained yourself I might have thought more of you and we probably could have seen eye to eye. But now having now seen you trying to re-write history to make you come out as the victim once again, obviously assuming I wouldn't be around to put you straight , makes me realise that my earlier personal assessment of you remains at least as valid as it ever was. Oh, and I just remembered another reason I stopped posting is because this bloody forum started turning into a soap opera - and I guess I've just further proven that point with this little rant! Hope you're all well and having a good summer by the way, what a fantastic end to the season that was and I cannot wait for the next one now - COME ON YOU YELLAS!!!!
Whatever the ins and outs Welly, I can honestly say I don't give a toss what happens on the Ipswich board. No idea why you lot get so involved in what happens on here.
Really not interested in arguing with you. Was making a point to Norwich posters on the Norwich board.
Fair play Tony_Munky, hope you do throw in the odd post when you feel like it, you always have something constructive to say when we actually speak about Norwich/ football on here.
Which were factually incorrect and for which I apologise. But the truth is that after a fairly lengthy absence, Beef posted on the 'fixtures' thread, only to be told he was "a ****ing maggot and to crawl back into his apple". Having re-read the post, there is a smiley winking face at the end which I didn't spot at the time. However, I believe that a football forum should encourage people to contribute and comments such as the above do the complete opposite - if a potential 'newbie' was reading before joining, saw stuff like that - plus the rest of the assorted wummery from our nucleus of resident ITFC contingent (King of Portman Road is exempt here) they ain't gonna sign up, simple as that. On a different tack, welcome to your new home RvW
Well firstly, thank you for setting the record straight - in particular I am delighted that you clarified that Dave played no part in you posting less often (this was what I was arguing with these Binners). Thank you also for clarifying that it was not entirely me that cause you to leave, temporarily or otherwise - this is good to know. I find it extremely disappointing that you still persist with painting yourself as the victim in this whole episode. Given that you were extremely abusive, were told so by posters and I had a number of PM's confirming that they thought you treated me disgracefully, I am astonished that you still can't comprehend your own part. I also offered you numerous olive branches, but your pride and hysteria obviously oblige you to conveniently forget this. It is an outright lie that I never messaged you personally - I did. Perhaps you didn't receive it because I was on your ignore list? Or perhaps it doesn't paint the pretty picture of you being the victim? I neither demand nor expect an apology - you have proven yourself far too oblivious to your own errors. The delicious irony of your "holier-than-thou" gibe is that it is deliberately designed to put me between a rock and a hard place - I apologise graciously as I can and you assume I am therefore patronising, or I don't apologise at all and you cry about it! All this while taking no responsibility for your own immaturity in the sorry episode. Your behaviour was particularly appalling after the event with continuous posts referring to me - this was where the binners were so unhelpful with keeping on bringing it up, but I accept that clearly you wanted to any way so it wasn't their fault. All that aside, I do not absolve myself of responsibility and I was, and remain, extremely sorry for any offence caused (to you and any others). I am not sure what else you want me to apologise for? I apologised for swearing because you complained about it. If you don't want to accept my apology, that is fine, but there is no need to outright lie on here, saying I have never apologised nor personally messaged you. I have done my best and you have thrown it back in my face, so there really isn't anything else I can do. As for you binners, fair enough - it appears I owe you an apology re the Munky episode
OMG is this thread still running ? Me thinks everyone is going stir crazy because of the lack of football. How about everyone calls a truce and we all move on ? Life's too fecking short guys
Jesus Christ Rob - you are a bloody lawyer aren't you!! Dear me, you come back with yet another stream of lies (which I will highlight in a bit), distorted versions of the truth to suit your own little agenda (again), malicious character defamation of myself and a clear intention to ignore the facts just to make yourself sound like the wronged one. As one of the binners alluded to last night - you really are a piece of work aren't you! Actually **** it Rob, I wouldn't bother with law any more, I can definitely see a career in politics for you, I'm sure you would fit the bill perfectly! I didn't want to get into all this again, but I feel that I have to defend my own character here and to highlight just a few of these lies you insist on throwing out there, just so people can se the actual facts and make their own minds up. 1. I never received anything like a PM from you, this is absolutely 100% a lie and I can't believe you have the gall to suggest it. Perhaps in your desperation you have managed to convince yourself about what happened, but let me assure everyone that you did not send me a personal apology or PM, and I'd go as far as to suggest that you never even tried or else you would be well aware of the reason it mysteriously didn't arrive in my inbox. Had the ignore button been the reason I didn't get it then I'm sure the website would have informed you thus, you seem a bit sketchy about the details however. Interesting.... 2. At no point did I ever make "continuous posts referring to [you]" after that one got thread out of hand, this is another absolute lie. What I did do was make a light-hearted comment to Thai about how "certain people" might not be happy about his one line response to something he disagreed with (which was how the whole thing between you and I started in the first place), I didn't mention names at all and was happy to leave it at that, but you then read between the lines, went bleating to Dave and blew the whole thing out of proportion and started having a go at me and trying to make me out to be some bad guy - yet again!! 3. No posters directly told me that I was being abusive so this is another lie. The exception to this being Dave who in his role as moderator has more interest than anyone in calming things down so is always likely to respond when people start potentially going over the top. I've already said that I thought Dave called it wrong on that one, but I don't recall anybody else at any point telling me that I was being abusive at all. I do however remember at least a couple telling you to calm it down and chill out though, funny that that doesn't appear to remain in your clearly porous (or is it maybe devious and manipulative) memory don't you think? No surprise though as it's consistent with your behaviour towards me throughout. You appear convinced that several posters PM'd you to complain about me, now I obviously don't have any evidence to the contrary as it virtually impossible to prove a negative, however I would go as far as to stick my neck on the line and suggest that this didn't happen at all, and if anyone did complain to you about me then I put it to you that those particular private conversations were instigated by yourself. 4. I've not once accused you of being patronising in anything I've written on here, I've suggested that you're not a particularly nice individual and have lain other accusations at your door, but being patronising isn't one of them. And I'm not sure how you know what my reaction would have been to your "gracious apology" because forgive me, but I'm afraid I never saw anything like "gracious" coming from you, nothing at all. 5. I never complained about your "swearing", and have never complained about anyone's swearing ever - yet another lie! Yes, I took umbrage to being called, amongst other things, a "**** fan", "thick as pigshit", "an obnoxious little man" and being told to "**** off" not once, but twice. If you want to simply call all that "swearing" then I would expect nothing different from you, but in my book that is out and out disgusting abuse, it was completely unnecessary and for me is a perfect representation of your unhinged character. The evidence is still all there by the way, I know the truth about what happened as do you, but sadly only one of us chooses to stick to the facts rather than make stuff up to taint another well respected poster which ultimately drove me away. 6. Last one - fantastic politician's trick there in your opening gambit by the way, plucking out the parts that suit you and fit your agenda whilst completely ignoring the bulk of what I'd said, well done . What you were actually arguing with the binners about last night was their involvement in my leaving, I have clearly stated that they were nothing to do with it despite your apparent confidence in your accusations yesterday, and you then go on to show your delight in being proved right that it wasn't anything to do with Dave - what?? Moving the old goalposts yet again Rob, maybe you should be a groundsman as a sideline to your career in politics . And I'm not sure why your are so relieved that it wasn't solely because of you that I left, that's a bit of an odd reaction to me saying that you were the main catalyst to my decision which was the point that I made. Just to make myself a bit clearer, yes there are other reasons that I decided not to post on here anymore and to spend my time more constructively elsewhere, but let me absolutely assure you that if our little flare-up hadn't happened and if I hadn't been on the receiving end of such a totally condescending and completely uncalled for tirade of abuse from you then I am almost certain I wouldn't have left at that point. Like I said I tried ignoring you but that just made it ugly, so I decided I just wasn't prepared to stick around and let someone like you infiltrate my headspace any more than you actually had, because in my opinion you are clearly a colossal bell end of the very highest order, and my life is far too short to let someone like you get me so wound up. That might appear ironic after me coming up with War and Peace as a retort, however I'll be leaving you alone now to mis-interpret and twist my words once again to make me out to be the bad guy. If people want to believe the **** you peddle (not about your contributions about NCFC because you do often make valid points about the football) about me then it's a shame. However I like to think I've been around on these forums for long enough for the vast majority of people to realise what I'm about and what kind of person I am, and I'm pretty sure at least a few of them will have your card marked as well pal. One final point on this - I have had my fair share of disagreements with posters over the years, some good old heated ding-dongs that are almost always resolved with an agreement to disagree or a good old chummy (virtual) slap on the back. However never before have I felt so compelled to walk away from the forum and stop posting as much as I did after you royally pissed me off, so if you want to take some pride out of that then please be my guest, congratulations. Apologies to everyone else for making them read this all again, but Iâm I canât just sit here and let Rob (or whoever he thinks he is) slander my name just to satisfy his own little warped self-importance
Not wishing to interrupt and tread on someone else's 'turf' here but it seems (to me at least) that there is a lot of unrest on these pages currently and that although some of my Ipswich supporting peers have been misbehaving, they have (slightly) unfairly been made a scapegoat for in house issues.. By no means are they/we innocent and I expect/have received plenty going the other way in the past and for me these pages are for the recreational enjoyment of easy going football fans who enjoy to share opinions and stories etc.. (particularly with other club's supporters) which is why we are all here and the mickey taking and 'banter' is all part of it and part of the fabric that makes it appealing.. clearly there are differences in tolerance in terms of this mickey taking and ideas of where the line is, but there are simple ways around getting offended that have already been mentioned in this thread Obviously there are bound to be tensions, particularly between 'rivals' as the whole tribal instincts kick in and we act all caveman all again, but ultimately with people getting things off their chest and having a good old ding dong we should clear the air and start a fresh (or as much as) with the new season starting as there are far more important things in life to get worked up about that internet forum inter politics and the "he said, she said" nature that seems to take over us all
KoPR, you are an enlightened member of our football fraternity, if you are still "in touch" with Guru, pass on this to him from me! I have not spoken to anyone else about this, but this is what I'm prepared to offer! If Guru can promise to stop his "dog with a bone" posts which he then repeats over and over ad nauseum, and promises to behave himself, then I am willing to lift the ban one last time, but this is definitely his last chance saloon! I await your response!
Kopr, see my apology above. Munky, I honestly am lost for words. You need to let this bone go. I have apologised multiple times and said I'm not proud of myself - Im really not sure what more you want from me. As for the argument with the Ipswich fans - now you are speaking for me which you complained I had done earlier - actually if you check the threads, on the binner board and earlier on here it was entirely to do with their treatment of Dave. Do you honestly believe you behaved well? Look at your post above - it's filled with abuse. You attcked me on that thread for saying Fox wasn't all round as technically good a Tettey. I overreacted and apologised. Actually a number of posters told you to drop it beause you kept banging on. The threads are there to see. As for the message, its there in my sent box. I can see it. If you didn't get it, fine I believe you. Its really neither here nor there as I have apologised anyway. I'm not going to reveal who message me because I've seen how you are reacting and treting me still. They messaged me privately so it would be unfair. So let's just drop that point. If they wanted to vocally stand up for me, they would, but there's no need, I can take care of it myself. So Munky just stop unless you have something new and fresh to say. I have apologised, you clearly feel you have absolutely nothing to apologise for, in which case it is all done. No need to say more.
Well this is all a bit messy isn't it? Rob and Munky, your argument clearly isn't going anywhere fast, so if you want to continue, I think we'd all prefer if it was done in private. Ideally I'd like you both to continue posting, as both of your inputs are appreciated, but if either of you feel you can't continue because of the other, then that's a real shame. Perhaps just dropping this issue and trying to rebuild respect for each other in future conversations on footballing matters might be the way forwards? I don't know. As Dave's said, Guru will be back with us shortly, and has been warned as to his future conduct. If anyone would prefer to see the back of him, the "ignore" function may be of use to you. I'm on my phone so can't add an image showing how to use it, but if anyone can't work it out and feels they want to make use of it, let me know by PM and I'll do my best.
