I apologise if you dont like Shawcross based on who he plays for, and that tackle, but you cant be so inertly stupid as to discard the defensive stability he brings. Some of Arsenals best CB's other fans have held in the same 'dirty minded' contempt that we do towards Shawcross. just because wenger has brainwashed you guys into thinking that all good defenders have to come from a foreign league with a fancy name and a bit of flair on the ball, doesnt mean that they will fit in at defense I want a defender who can defend first, because the current crop bar Kos cant seem to do that
Wenger tied to sign both chris smalling and phil jones, infact he offered the same money as man u for both players, but both chose man u, so he does try and buy English defenders. Shawcross would not work because as soon as he had a bad game the fans would be on his back and he would detrimental to team in that regard. The fans would never take to him, and would probably cause friction in the dressing room due to his history with ramsey.
A truly top manager would take in a player who would vastly improve the team regardless of what the fans think. Love him or hate him but SAF brings the players he needs into his team, regardless of who they are, where they are from, or fan hype about the player. Wenger doesnt know what makes a good defender anymore
The Manchester United defence have let in more goals this year in the PL than we have. Presumably SAF doesn't know what a good defender looks like these days either?
No, SAF doesn't know what a good defender looks like, or; No, you just didn't realize that, and now you feel silly and can't think of anything else to write?
No because anyone who has half a brain when it comes to football knows that defensively we are worse than man utd. Comolli based his footballing opinion on stats and now everyone thinks he is a joke, I assume people think the same about you?
We have conceded less goals than them. If anything it was our attack that cost us. The fact thst you are advocating that Ryan Shawcross would improve our team says it all.
Hang on a minute, this isn't some wierd scientific statistic, this is letting in goals. There isn't any other measure of a defense that is worth anything, and that includes opinion.
And Shawcross would solve that? Are you off your rocker? If you want top class defenders, you look for players who aren't Ryan Shawcross. Barzagli, Chiellini, Ogbonna, Garay, Zouma, Dante, Hummels, Papadopoulos and so forth. These guys are proper footballers, as opposed to pub brawlers. Mertesacker is a good defender for us, and his partnership with Koscielny is arguably a top class pairing. The influence that Per has on the team is often stressed in interviews as people tend not to pick up on it watching the game. Our biggest problems lie in the right back position and goalkeeping, though neither are atrocious. Our defending has improved because we dropped Vermaelen and because we partnered Ramsey with Arteta. These changes have solidified us as a team. We do not need Ryan Shawcross unless we plan to hang him from a cage and charge admission to see the famous missing link.
If there's one area that we've really made good in this season it's at CB. The idea that we should go out and buy Ryan ****ing Shawcross is quite frankly, laughable.
If you want top class defenders, you look for players who aren't Ryan Shawcross. Barzagli, Chiellini, Ogbonna, Garay, Zouma, Dante, Hummels, Papadopoulos and so forth. These guys are proper footballers, as opposed to pub brawlers. ....................... Im sure your in-depth knowledge of players based on fifa is really concrete, but answer me this. Why would Chellini, Dante, Hummels etc want to take a step down to come to our club? Also what makes you think that they could make the grade in the PL because so many other top defenders look suspect when they come here. Also, this Arsenal defence has been poor, there is n oargument there. Its just up front it is lacking even less quality. Kos is one of the best players in the team, Mert is a long way off and can look dreadful at times, I would much rather some consistency in the team. Also, Jenkinson should get a look in at right back as he would easily solve the answers to the RB problems. I dont see anyone else coming up with such a list of players that would come to our team and improve them? so get of your moron high horses and contribute something worthwhile. except for enigma, thank you for posting something worthwhile and not coming across as a child
Hummels cost 4m Dante cost 4.7m Garay cost 5.5m Chiellini cost 3.5m Kompany cost 6m Kos cost 8.45m You don't need to break the bank to sign a top defender, who can also play the ball out. You just need to take a bit of a gamble on an unknown quantity. How many top European clubs play with CB's who are defenders first, and poor all round players? Not many, if any at all. Do you not think Arsenal should be aiming to be a top European club? We're not going to get there signing the likes of Shawcross.
Relatively average ball players who have played at the highest level for the highest teams: Lescott Pique Vidic Terry Keown Bruce and so on Also for every cheap steal you find, I am sure I can post two flops. Maybe Shawcross isn't the best choice but right now, with Arsenal struggling to get top 4, I would rather play it safe than gamble.
Although they say none of the players from these clubs will come to Arsenal, both Vermaelen and Koscielney (Oh yes and Metersacker) are constantly being linked with moves to top clubs like Dortmund. Yet they (apparently) aren't good enough for Arsenal. Can they explain that? Song wasn't good enough for Arsenal, until he went to Barcelona and then suddenly he was good enough for Arsenal. Then he was rumored to be coming back, so he was suddenly back to being good enough for Arsenal, until he said he was going to stay, at which point he wasn't or was.....?!>? Ahhhh, I'm so confused! The AACA (Arsenal are Crap Alliance), consisting of plastics, Spurs supporters, Liverpool apologists, and other general sociopaths are just so desperate to find ways to beat on Arsenal, their logic is in danger of getting so convoluted, that it wraps around their necks and chokes them.
Young defenders are less likley to be sold for BIG money because its harder to tell just how good they are going to be. Physical attributes only tell you soo much, the finer points of defending are something that you 'learn' through repitition. Shawcross is not technically skilled enough to play in our side. IMO We need a 'Hummels' someone who can play but still has all the physical attributes.
Shawcross isn't fit to lace their boots. I'd take Miquel over Shawcross. There's a reason he's stuck with relegation-stragglers Stoke
Bit rude to assume that I don't watch players, I don't even own an Xbox 360/PS3. The reality is that Ashley Williams is probably the only British CB worth looking at and Shawcross, well I know 14 year olds I'd bring to the Arsenal first team ahead of him. I watched Shawcross v Tottenham and the guy is just awful. He wouldn't get away with his fouls if he wasn't at Stoke. Ignoring the fact that he obviously lacks any real quality, supporting a club is about having pride in the club. How can any Arsenal supporter hold their heads up if we signed that animal? Every time we saw his name on the team sheet we'd have to kick at the ground sheepishly and apologise to those around us for such an affront.
