A stupid question.......
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Giving your age away there Brix, that used to happen in the days of the maximum wage (£20 a week), but they are all paid in the summer months now unless their contracts expire (30th June)...
Ok, I am going to go a bit left field with the old thinking here for a minute.
First off, I am basing this on an assumption that TF does not personally finance all player purchases and therefore the money has to come from the investors/owners as the "company" is way in debt and does not have cash to buy from within the club finances. Therefore, the way I read it, the £20mm required to purchase Samba and Remy must have been granted to the club and TF on the understanding that if we failed to stay up then both those players coming in would be immediately sold, as they had a strong chance of being snapped up by other Premier League clubs for about what we payed for them. That is what prudent stewardship of the club should have dictated. Re-coup the £20mm and take two massive weekly wages off the wage bill.
From the day after the last day of the season 2013, we are no longer a Premier League Club and therefore as a Championship club we do not need certain current "Premier League" players. We don't need Cesar, Bosingwa, Fabio, Samba, Park, SWP, Remy, Traore, Barton, Granero and probably a few more. What we don't need is their "been there, done it, got the medal, too good for this club, here to collect my money" attitude that appears to have come hand in hand with this type of player and also the salary they attract. So get rid where possible and replace them with what everyone believes is out there and available, the "young hungry, something to prove" players from the existing Championship teams or leagues below.
BUT, and here is the left field thinking bit, don't sell them and then look to buy players who can "guarantee we bounce back up at the first attempt". Forget about the Premier League for a few years. It's been proven we were not ready for it and to be honest, what is so bloody good about being in it anyway. From our perspective it has been two seasons of turmoil, doom and gloom, upheaval, misery. There was perhaps only 10 mins of nervous excitement all season, when SWP scored and for a second we thought we might go on to beat Chelsea at their place, but then actually not really enjoy the rest of the game because of the ingrained perceived knowledge of impending doom that we would probably still concede two goals in time added on at the end and lose. So what will we miss about the Premier League next season as we currently are as a club?
So, Let's get rid of those we can get a good return on, loan out the other malingerers rather than allow them to hang around the club dividing the squad and causing factions to creep back in, and use the money to establish ourselves as a cohesive club, with a manager and backroom staff who are settled, have good contacts in the game, build up a playing staff that they have developed for themselves, maintain a united squad, who are pulling together and who put in consistent performances and produce attractive attacking football. They will benefit from a new training complex, potentially a new ground in 3-5 years and then, perhaps, we will be ready to compete in the Premier League without having to go through the same panic buy, constant upheaval of the first team squad that has plagued us.
Next season, the benefits, for me personally, of being able to separate Premier League football and Championship football in my life is actually welcomed and it should mean that when I go to LR I might see QPR win a game more than once every 3 months and if I fancy watching Premier League Football it will be for the pleasure of it, and sat relaxed back deep on my sofa, not perched on the edge of it for the whole 90 mins, with my head in my hands, and with the wife popping her head around the door every 10 mins and giving me that sympathetic "never mind love" sad smile she has developed over the last 2 seasons.
We've tried the Premier League, it didn't suit us as a club. Maybe it will suit us in 3-5yrs time, but in the meantime, we're not in the Premier League, so what?
First off, I am basing this on an assumption that TF does not personally finance all player purchases and therefore the money has to come from the investors/owners as the "company" is way in debt and does not have cash to buy from within the club finances. Therefore, the way I read it, the £20mm required to purchase Samba and Remy must have been granted to the club and TF on the understanding that if we failed to stay up then both those players coming in would be immediately sold, as they had a strong chance of being snapped up by other Premier League clubs for about what we payed for them. That is what prudent stewardship of the club should have dictated. Re-coup the £20mm and take two massive weekly wages off the wage bill.
From the day after the last day of the season 2013, we are no longer a Premier League Club and therefore as a Championship club we do not need certain current "Premier League" players. We don't need Cesar, Bosingwa, Fabio, Samba, Park, SWP, Remy, Traore, Barton, Granero and probably a few more. What we don't need is their "been there, done it, got the medal, too good for this club, here to collect my money" attitude that appears to have come hand in hand with this type of player and also the salary they attract. So get rid where possible and replace them with what everyone believes is out there and available, the "young hungry, something to prove" players from the existing Championship teams or leagues below.
BUT, and here is the left field thinking bit, don't sell them and then look to buy players who can "guarantee we bounce back up at the first attempt". Forget about the Premier League for a few years. It's been proven we were not ready for it and to be honest, what is so bloody good about being in it anyway. From our perspective it has been two seasons of turmoil, doom and gloom, upheaval, misery. There was perhaps only 10 mins of nervous excitement all season, when SWP scored and for a second we thought we might go on to beat Chelsea at their place, but then actually not really enjoy the rest of the game because of the ingrained perceived knowledge of impending doom that we would probably still concede two goals in time added on at the end and lose. So what will we miss about the Premier League next season as we currently are as a club?
So, Let's get rid of those we can get a good return on, loan out the other malingerers rather than allow them to hang around the club dividing the squad and causing factions to creep back in, and use the money to establish ourselves as a cohesive club, with a manager and backroom staff who are settled, have good contacts in the game, build up a playing staff that they have developed for themselves, maintain a united squad, who are pulling together and who put in consistent performances and produce attractive attacking football. They will benefit from a new training complex, potentially a new ground in 3-5 years and then, perhaps, we will be ready to compete in the Premier League without having to go through the same panic buy, constant upheaval of the first team squad that has plagued us.
Next season, the benefits, for me personally, of being able to separate Premier League football and Championship football in my life is actually welcomed and it should mean that when I go to LR I might see QPR win a game more than once every 3 months and if I fancy watching Premier League Football it will be for the pleasure of it, and sat relaxed back deep on my sofa, not perched on the edge of it for the whole 90 mins, with my head in my hands, and with the wife popping her head around the door every 10 mins and giving me that sympathetic "never mind love" sad smile she has developed over the last 2 seasons.
We've tried the Premier League, it didn't suit us as a club. Maybe it will suit us in 3-5yrs time, but in the meantime, we're not in the Premier League, so what?
Your finally coming round to the Norwich and Swansea way of thinking!! Young and hungry, not old and expensive. Lets hope its to late to offload them all before you go pop.
4string. Surely you've overlooked the money issue. What you say sort of makes sense except that to stand any chance of making QPR a profitable business we need a new stadium in the PL. No?
Forget about being a profitable business from an investors perspective for 5-7yrs. If we trust that TF and the board will not do a Chris Wright then why as supporters should we be worrying about being a profitable business in the short term. We cant be and wont be but that is TF's problem not mine. In TF's own words "We are in it for the long haul" and the long haul should see a rejuvenated club coming back up to the Premier League, perhaps with a new stadium already bringing in additional non QPR related income from peripheral business activities.
However, to answer your question, for the short term I also touched on it at the beginning of my first post, in that my vision for the short term adjustment of the squad, and the need to finance a different type of player being brought in, and my response to Remy going, staying or being sent out on loan for a season, is forget about keeping Remy, the only way we can do continue to survive is through the need to recoup our money from Samba and Remy, whilst also offloading as much of the dross as we can. This should then supplement the parachute payments from being relegated and enable to rebuild the squad over a couple of seasons by bringing in the young and hungry on sensible transfer values and wages.
If the owners are going to stump up for a new stadium it will be for a medium to long term return on investment. Yes, we will need to be in the Premier League at times during the next 5-20 yrs, but it is surely not a given that we will remain so at any time in the future, for a number of reasons, hence the probable development of a "complex" that is more than just a home ground to a club who plays there every other weekend. It has to provide income from other sources.
We will obviously need to ensure that from a footballing activity perspective we are eventually supporting an increased loyal local fan base of 25-30K (tops I would say) plus the ability to provide room and facilities for the "tourist fans" who are in London and will want to see Premier League football and also from time to time those who will arrive for a season to support which ever Far East Asian player we have brought in as part of the wider marketing of the brand strategy.
Some of us said that from the start and were mocked for it. I don't mind expensive players if they are easily the best at their position, eggs Remy but the likes of SWP, Barton, Zamora, Johnson, bosingwa are simply not good enough for what they earn.
It is doubtful that most players in the PL are good enough for the sick salaries they earn when far more talented people can't even get a job, but other than that Bosingwa is definetely good enough to play RB in our and most PL teams.