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Jager said:
Dai the argentines invaded the Falklands , they started it, we as a country responded to the aggression. The only crimes were ones Galtieri did under his own regime, he was responsible for crimes against his own people.

Yes thatcher got reelected after, but to say that she was responsible for the actions of that dictator is stupid, she reacted on the advice of her own advisers.
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the Argentinians returned to the Falklands, there was no urgency to go in there like we did. no shots were fired until thatcher cowardly sunk a ship that was heading home to Argentina....we were the ones who actually fired and killed hundreds of people first. what were the Argentinians suppose to do...not retaliate or what.....the sovereignty of the Falklands is an issue that both countries say is theirs, ....so why sink a ship for no reason starting the war.....

we were shown to be the aggressors in the end and there was no reason for it....
 
the falklands conflict was a present from the gods for thatcher, there is no doubt that she was on her way out in 83, like dai has said above the belgrano was outside the exclusion zone but more importantly it was heading toward argentina, but thatcher ignored the fact and ordered it to be sunk, a lot of young men lost their lives for no reason,
 
Jager you keep going on about Scargill as the bad guy, take it from me this thing about it being Scargill v Thatcher is rubbish, all scargill was doing was fighting for his men doing what we were paying him to do, the tory press made it out as if it was arthur v maggie and it was all to get the british public behind the government, everything scargill said was true the only liars were the tories and their lapdogs in the press, and they are still spewing the same lies out today, unlike Mr Scargill who has been proved to be very truthfull in all he said, thatcher sold off the family silver and used north sea oil revenue to put people on the dole, if she ran the pits as they should have been run they would made huge profits for this country, thatcher did not beleive in community she had the i am alright and f*ck everybody else attitude which is how it is today, that woman should have been hanged in the tower after what she did to the working class communities of this country, one of her best mates was rupert murdock should i say anymore. and for this country to spend 10m on her funeral is criminal, a miss appropriation of our funds if ever there was one
 
DaiswanHuwsmate said:
the Argentinians returned to the Falklands, there was no urgency to go in there like we did. no shots were fired until thatcher cowardly sunk a ship that was heading home to Argentina....we were the ones who actually fired and killed hundreds of people first. what were the Argentinians suppose to do...not retaliate or what.....the sovereignty of the Falklands is an issue that both countries say is theirs, ....so why sink a ship for no reason starting the war.....

we were shown to be the aggressors in the end and there was no reason for it....
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So a country invades a territory not theirs, and what do you expect us to do, nothing ? I would say the cowardly thing to do was invade in the first place, the military junta was trying to bolster its position. They wouldn't listen to diplomacy , the only thing they knew is force.

The sinking of that ship was not thatcher asking for it but the military believing they could have been a threat, do you leave an enemy ship behind you ? It was controversial and still is but I think our military has a right to defend itself and to stop potential threats.
 
Jager thatcher was told that the belgrano was no threat at the time it was sunk because it was going away from the falklands and was outside the 12 mile exclusion zone,
 
Mabon, can I ask why do you believe the state should run industry ? I don't think that the state should run or put money into businesses that cannot support itself. Surely a government should run the country not be responsible for running businesses?
 
MabonJack said:
Jager thatcher was told that the belgrano was no threat at the time it was sunk because it was going away from the falklands and was outside the 12 mile exclusion zone,
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Yes but the funny thing about ships Mabon is that they can be turned around on order from their commanders and captains. I'm not for killing people mate, but you were in the military surely having an enemy behind you is not something you ignore ?
 
Jager said:
Mabon, can I ask why do you believe the state should run industry ? I don't think that the state should run or put money into businesses that cannot support itself. Surely a government should run the country not be responsible for running businesses?
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So why do the government subsidise the train & bus companies to the tune of hundreds of million of pounds a year? I think the same thing applies to energy companies that run power stations as well.

Not getting at anyone, Just wondering why they do this if the business`s can`t support themselves.
 
Jager said:
You still haven't told me what this club has any relevance to anything, just pissed up rich kids. That's novel ! Now how is that connected to thatcher, and more to the point why say it had anything to do with me
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Just pissed up rich kids? If you don't understand the link then you haven't got a clue as to how British politics works, why it is so important in the class struggle and how it influenced the Miners strike. Perhaps you should have read up on these things before slamming the National Union of Mineworkers in the first place.
 
Jager there were rules in place regarding this countries plan for coal, and the pits were running very well contrary to what the tories said at the time, had the tories followed the rules that they agreed to there would not have been a strike, they rode roughshod over everything. The way they treated honest working people was a disgrace, and she and her cronies will never be forgiven, the thing is this the amount of people going bust and businesses going down the pan during her time in office was unbeleivable, and there were no jobs for them to go to 3 million on the dole and no hope for them. that was thatchers legacy , people taking up the right to buy losing their jobs and then their homes, and then finding the council could not re house them because all the council houses had been bought.
 
Jager said:
Yes but the funny thing about ships Mabon is that they can be turned around on order from their commanders and captains. I'm not for killing people mate, but you were in the military surely having an enemy behind you is not something you ignore ?
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Thatcher gave the order for it to be sunk
 
PGFWhite said:
Just pissed up rich kids? If you don't understand the link then you haven't got a clue as to how British politics works, why it is so important in the class struggle and how it influenced the Miners strike. Perhaps you should have read up on these things before slamming the National Union of Mineworkers in the first place.
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So this has some relevance to the num then, please explain that ?

And I still don't see how pissed rich kids has some relevance on how the whole political system works, can you explain that ? I have said previously about public school education kids running the country, all the current crop of scumbag politicians are from that stock, so no concept of struggling to make a living , or struggling to pay a bill.
 
PGFWhite said:
Only person to twig <laugh> Phil, have a word with him.
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I think your well on the right wave length PGF!.................
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PS: I must say Dai has a great memory on this Thatcher issue! Spot on Dai............................<cheers>
 
The one thing we always did in the NUM was look after those weaker than ourselves, and when thatcher manipulated the strike we had no choice but to defend ourselves, what many people are not aware of is that thatcher nearly admitted defeat on 3 occassions. and had it not been for her paying off the nottingham miners and paying bonus;s of up to 5000 each to those working in the power stations she would have been beaten.
 
Jager said:
Yes of course, but wouldn't it have been asked for by the military and explained why it was being asked for? Blaming one person can't be correct when it would have been joint decision amongst many people
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She has been blamed for it, there are many who beleive that she should have been a war criminal for what happened to the belgrano, now there are many who beleive this that are much more qualified than i regarding such things
 
Could I just say in mitigation on Jager's part lads, he's not had his full dose of Cranberry juice today, so go easy on him, he's simply not all there!..........<laugh>
 
MabonJack said:
Jager there were rules in place regarding this countries plan for coal, and the pits were running very well contrary to what the tories said at the time, had the tories followed the rules that they agreed to there would not have been a strike, they rode roughshod over everything. The way they treated honest working people was a disgrace, and she and her cronies will never be forgiven, the thing is this the amount of people going bust and businesses going down the pan during her time in office was unbeleivable, and there were no jobs for them to go to 3 million on the dole and no hope for them. that was thatchers legacy , people taking up the right to buy losing their jobs and then their homes, and then finding the council could not re house them because all the council houses had been bought.
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But look at how many people are unemployed now, more than 2.5m , if you take into account the hidden people who are on dla or esa or incapacity the figure is far higher, that is the legacy of labour , you know the ones who said they got rid of boom and bust. And the ones who taxed pensioners.

And the Tories now are breaking all their election promises like labour before them, won't touch vat, will not cut frontline nhs money, will not make cuts in the military and many others. Politicians lie their teeth off to get into power, they all have done it even maggie.

As I keep on saying I hold them all in contempt, including union leaders and their agendas
 
Jager said:
So this has some relevance to the num then, please explain that ?

And I still don't see how pissed rich kids has some relevance on how the whole political system works, can you explain that ? I have said previously about public school education kids running the country, all the current crop of scumbag politicians are from that stock, so no concept of struggling to make a living , or struggling to pay a bill.
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If you don't know then you are well out of your depth. I'll take that request as an arm in the air.
 
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