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Cest Advocaat

Cest Advocaat

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McClaren? Hughes? Di Canio?


Just some of the nightmare names mentioned after Martin O'Neill is sacked last night. Lets see who the MoN out brigade have as their saviour this week. With a mere 7 games to go, there isn't a single credible manager that would take the job but a host of 2nd rate **** ups that will be only too glad.

I hope all the people who have been screaming for O'Neills head are chuffed to bits and sitting very smug this morning because when Steve McClaren or Mark Hughes are unveiled this week the death knell of SAFC will ring shortly after it. What a total and complete ****ing shambles.

I watched my final game yesterday (although I didn't know it at the time) and won't be back to watch another **** up manager make an arsehole of the last few games. I've seen my fair share of ****ty decisions made by owners of this football club over the last 39 years and this rates as one of the very worst. History has proven that changing a manager with so few games to go never works and for me, this one has absolutely guaranteed Championship football next season. QPR, Reading and SAFC will be relegated this season. Put your house on it, especially with some on of the wallys mentioned to take over. If Di Mateo is appointed (the best of a load of ****e mentioned), will he really put his heart and soul into the rest of the campaign from his London home? Would anyone?

The timing of this is probably the worst I've ever known and if a change was to be made then January surely was the time. Why give MoN £10m to spend then sack him 8 weeks later?


If MoN cant change the fortunes of this club then I'm afraid no one ever will and for me, its time to bow out. I've had my fill of SAFC and their 70 years of **** ups.

I hope you fellas get the man you want but I get the distinct feeling that if the next manager doesn't make us Barcelona in 12 months you'll be calling him a clueless **** as well. I remain a loyal and passionate Sunderland fan but I have had it organising my life around it after 4 decades and will join the ever growing army of armchair fans. They won't be getting anymore of my money through the turnstiles for the near future.

I'll still go to some games when I fancy it but I'm not committing myself to the cause financially any longer.

Today is one of the saddest and most poignant days of my life following SAFC and a watershed moment. Today is the day the light went out for me and I am actually relieved its now over.

What a dark, sad and disastrous day this is.
 
Lets face it Cest every Sunderland fan wanted O,Neil to succeed but this season has seen some of the most boring football ive ever seen as a Sunderland fan and yes I can remember the 3rd Div days. We play with no passion the way we go out to play is not to get beat not to go out and try and win, even yesterday it looked as if a 1-0 defeat was good enough. The Norwich game did it for me. Why get magane on loan pay his wages since Jan and not play him and how many other players did he do that with Bridge and the Greek guy are two.
I share your fears over di Canio and McLaren etc
I am uite willing to go with poyet
 
When has a manager of any credability been linked to come here? MON is by far the biggest and most proven, however, by no means perfect otherwise he wouldn't have been here in the first place. Perhaps now is the time to go for a younger, hungry manager, with his own footballing philosophy. I feel for you that you seem to have put all your faith in a person for whom it hasn't worked out for. As a SAFC fan of many years I find this quite naive, yet admirable.
 
Indestructible said:
When has a manager of any credability been linked to come here? MON is by far the biggest and most proven, however, by no means perfect otherwise he wouldn't have been here in the first place. Perhaps now is the time to go for a younger, hungry manager, with his own footballing philosophy. I feel for you that you seem to have put all your faith in a person for whom it hasn't worked out for. As a SAFC fan of many years I find this quite naive, yet admirable.
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O'Neill came here with a record second to none and with the best credentials of any manager in our history. He had never failed anywhere as a player or manager and that he has utterly failed inside 15 months has cut me deeply mate. This is the fiorst time in his life he has been sacked. What does that tell you about SAFC?

Its not just about MoN, for whom I have utmost faith and respect, its the fact that if a quality manager such as him fails here with money and stability behind him, it says more about our club than it does the individual.

What many of you on here fail to grasp is my support of O'Neill is born out of the fear that if he fails then no one will EVER succeed here and we are without a doubt the graveyard of players and managers. It doest matter is we appointed Guardiola and gave him £500m to spend and get Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta in on free transfers.

We are doomed to eternal failure and in MoN's failure, so has the club been resigned to the back waters of English football for all time.

Thats why I am so gutted this morning.
 
CestriaO'Neill said:
McClaren? Hughes? Di Canio?


Just some of the nightmare names mentioned after Martin O'Neill is sacked last night. Lets see who the MoN out brigade have as their saviour this week. With a mere 7 games to go, there isn't a single credible manager that would take the job but a host of 2nd rate **** ups that will be only too glad.

I hope all the people who have been screaming for O'Neills head are chuffed to bits and sitting very smug this morning because when Steve McClaren or Mark Hughes are unveiled this week the death knell of SAFC will ring shortly after it. What a total and complete ****ing shambles.

I watched my final game yesterday (although I didn't know it at the time) and won't be back to watch another **** up manager make an arsehole of the last few games. I've seen my fair share of ****ty decisions made by owners of this football club over the last 39 years and this rates as one of the very worst. History has proven that changing a manager with so few games to go never works and for me, this one has absolutely guaranteed Championship football next season. QPR, Reading and SAFC will be relegated this season. Put your house on it, especially with some on of the wallys mentioned to take over. If Di Mateo is appointed (the best of a load of ****e mentioned), will he really put his heart and soul into the rest of the campaign from his London home? Would anyone?

The timing of this is probably the worst I've ever known and if a change was to be made then January surely was the time. Why give MoN £10m to spend then sack him 8 weeks later?


If MoN cant change the fortunes of this club then I'm afraid no one ever will and for me, its time to bow out. I've had my fill of SAFC and their 70 years of **** ups.

I hope you fellas get the man you want but I get the distinct feeling that if the next manager doesn't make us Barcelona in 12 months you'll be calling him a clueless **** as well. I remain a loyal and passionate Sunderland fan but I have had it organising my life around it after 4 decades and will join the ever growing army of armchair fans. They won't be getting anymore of my money through the turnstiles for the near future.

I'll still go to some games when I fancy it but I'm not committing myself to the cause financially any longer.

Today is one of the saddest and most poignant days of my life following SAFC and a watershed moment. Today is the day the light went out for me and I am actually relieved its now over.

What a dark, sad and disastrous day this is.
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I'm right with you on the timing of the decision, it ****ing baffles me that one, it's suicidal to sack a manager with so few games left. I can only assume that Short isn't too concerned about relegation, either that or he has some master plan that none of us can come up with?

Saying that, i think the MOB's were in the minority on here, certainly compared to the BOB's.

The only one responsible is MON himself and i don't go for this 'he inherited Bruces **** team' excuse. He's had 3 windows and countless millions to make a change and with the exception of a couple of players the only changes he made were in my humble opinion, were negative. Now that could be down to a few reasons, whether he couldn't attract the right type of player to come to us? were the packages ****e compared to other teams? we'll never know.
Other managers in similar situations have managed to keep their respective teams afloat and even make improvements with smaller budgets. Pardew, Houghton, Laudrup, all had a similar task but have managed to do better than MON.

For the record, i'm not a MOB, i liked the bloke and wanted him as manager and still think that given another season at least, he would have made a difference. Good managers don't turn bad overnight and IMO he is still a good manager and should have been given till the end of the season.
 
CestriaO'Neill said:
McClaren? Hughes? Di Canio?


Just some of the nightmare names mentioned after Martin O'Neill is sacked last night. Lets see who the MoN out brigade have as their saviour this week. With a mere 7 games to go, there isn't a single credible manager that would take the job but a host of 2nd rate **** ups that will be only too glad.

I hope all the people who have been screaming for O'Neills head are chuffed to bits and sitting very smug this morning because when Steve McClaren or Mark Hughes are unveiled this week the death knell of SAFC will ring shortly after it. What a total and complete ****ing shambles.

I watched my final game yesterday (although I didn't know it at the time) and won't be back to watch another **** up manager make an arsehole of the last few games. I've seen my fair share of ****ty decisions made by owners of this football club over the last 39 years and this rates as one of the very worst. History has proven that changing a manager with so few games to go never works and for me, this one has absolutely guaranteed Championship football next season. QPR, Reading and SAFC will be relegated this season. Put your house on it, especially with some on of the wallys mentioned to take over. If Di Mateo is appointed (the best of a load of ****e mentioned), will he really put his heart and soul into the rest of the campaign from his London home? Would anyone?

The timing of this is probably the worst I've ever known and if a change was to be made then January surely was the time. Why give MoN £10m to spend then sack him 8 weeks later?


If MoN cant change the fortunes of this club then I'm afraid no one ever will and for me, its time to bow out. I've had my fill of SAFC and their 70 years of **** ups.

I hope you fellas get the man you want but I get the distinct feeling that if the next manager doesn't make us Barcelona in 12 months you'll be calling him a clueless **** as well. I remain a loyal and passionate Sunderland fan but I have had it organising my life around it after 4 decades and will join the ever growing army of armchair fans. They won't be getting anymore of my money through the turnstiles for the near future.

I'll still go to some games when I fancy it but I'm not committing myself to the cause financially any longer.

Today is one of the saddest and most poignant days of my life following SAFC and a watershed moment. Today is the day the light went out for me and I am actually relieved its now over.

What a dark, sad and disastrous day this is.
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One million percent THIS
 
Timing is bizarre and you might as well have let him have the season. Reminds me of us bringing in Shearer with 8 games to go. Like then I can't see how the new man can have time to turn it around? Surely if you sack him, you do so in January? Then at least you can bring in your own players and have time to play your way.

There is no doubt that O'Neill has been a complete failure. To accept such a woeful playing style you at least need results. It just hasn't turned as hoped and he has looked out of date and lacking motivation for the task. I doubt we'll see him in football again.

We are in nearly as much ****. I still think QPR, Reading, are down. After that the last place could go to any club up to Southampton.

- Southampton - I reckon they'll be fine, new boss seems to be up for it and its showing in his team.
- Stoke - Just ugly enough to do enough I suspect
- Norwich - Not convinced.
- Us - Pinning our hopes on the quality we have to come back in and a few winnable games. Lose Fulham and yourselves, we would look ****ed though.
- Sunderland - Not looking good right now, fixtures look tricky. Pick up a win in the derby though............
- Wigan - I think they'll get out, doing their usual
- Villa - Young side but Lambert has a belly full of fire. If they win today I could see them doing it.

It is looking increasingly like it could be one of us.
 
Looks like it has the makings of a big mistake from where I am.Certainly if you need to me mentioning the likes of Hughes,I don't think that he is up to managing Gateshead.Agree with your synopsis above though,I'm not convinced by us (Norwich) either.Our trump card is four winnable home games.But of course to win we have to score.I think Wigan might depend on their match at QPR next week.They have had a good slice of luck lately.
 
Can't believe some of the posts on here. I admit I wanted Mon but also wanted him out well before Christmas. He is the worst manager since Mackemenemy, totally and utterly clueless. I was assaulted on here for wanting him out and even called a 'mag'. It is that type of mentality on here that has us in this predicament. Short is right to get rid but I fear it's too late, should have done it months ago. As for who do we get Solksjaer I hope but honestly I' d rather give Bally a go than stick with Marty. By the way SAFC above any individual always.
 
you and i both mate
standbythelads said:
Can't believe some of the posts on here. I admit I wanted Mon but also wanted him out well before Christmas. He is the worst manager since Mackemenemy, totally and utterly clueless. I was assaulted on here for wanting him out and even called a 'mag'. It is that type of mentality on here that has us in this predicament. Short is right to get rid but I fear it's too late, should have done it months ago. As for who do we get Solksjaer I hope but honestly I' d rather give Bally a go than stick with Marty. By the way SAFC above any individual always.
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you and i both, because you have an opinion you are a mag,,twats
 
Bally................why don;t we just dig up Bob Stokoe and have his corpse in the managers chair, if we are that desperate then why not consider Sbragia he "saved" us once before.

Its rather apt that he went at Easter because it is going to take a miracle of resurrection proportions for us to stay up.
 
Hans Morretti said:
Bally................why don;t we just dig up Bob Stokoe and have his corpse in the managers chair, if we are that desperate then why not consider Sbragia he "saved" us once before.

Its rather apt that he went at Easter because it is going to take a miracle of resurrection proportions for us to stay up.
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We were a dead man walking with Mon, nailed on certs for the drop. Now we have a chance, that's all.
 
Hans Morretti said:
Bally................why don;t we just dig up Bob Stokoe and have his corpse in the managers chair, if we are that desperate then why not consider Sbragia he "saved" us once before.

Its rather apt that he went at Easter because it is going to take a miracle of resurrection proportions for us to stay up.
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who knows who we will find in the bull rushes
 
i waited game after game, hoping for an improvement.....i think thats what short was hoping for! we had an 'easy' run of fixtures where we were expecting at least 2 wins!!! they didnt come. not only did they not come, we didnt look like winning any of them! we were awful! thats why he got the sack! the decision was obviously made after the norwich fiasco and it has taken till now to get the replacement lined up! hence the strange timing!
 
standbythelads said:
Can't believe some of the posts on here. I admit I wanted Mon but also wanted him out well before Christmas. He is the worst manager since Mackemenemy, totally and utterly clueless. I was assaulted on here for wanting him out and even called a 'mag'. It is that type of mentality on here that has us in this predicament. Short is right to get rid but I fear it's too late, should have done it months ago. As for who do we get Solksjaer I hope but honestly I' d rather give Bally a go than stick with Marty. By the way SAFC above any individual always.
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If this wasn't so sad I'd laugh. You really think we could attract someone like Solskjaer? GEt real man. We've just sacked our 5th manager in 7 years. What do you think a lad with the world at his feet will make of that? He has seen fans like you calling for a manager like O'Neill after only 12 months so why would he make the plunge with his family to come here only to be abused after 12 months if we are not Barcelona?

We deserve a mad twat like Di Canio (the best we could hope for) or a bland set of ****ers like Hughes or McClaren. We deserve them because no decent manager would touch us after our recent history of supporting (or not) our managers after 5 mins in the job.

Solskjaer would want money and time and both are in short supply at SAFC.
 
Solksjaer will do his apprenticeship somewhere in England before taking over at Man U, why not here? FFS he's managing Molde in Norway not Inter Milan! He is a realistic target. Remember being shouted down on 606 for championing Martinez (no experience, risky etc) when Quinn appointed Bruce and we paid £3m to buy out his contract! Martinez moved to Wigan for nothing. By the way Mon hasn't been abused, Sunderland fans have shown real tolerance with his persistent dross. I really fear for the club if fans like you are gutted by this. Think of SAFC and not your own awkward life of denial.
 
Martinez is pure ****. One of the worst managers in the EPL imo and completely over rated.

Solskjaer would be a class appointment but he will never uproot his family to come to a club that sacks managers as quickly as we do. 5 managers in 7 years?

He will want to go somewhere where he will get 2 or 3 years not 2 or 3 months before the crowd turn on him.

Also, I'll survive MoN being sacked quite easily but its a sign that the club is ****ed that he couldn't succeed here. His only failure in 22 years of management? What does that tell you?
 
Strange how all the ex pro's that actually know about MON and football are all saying the players should be the ones under scrutiny not the manager.
I couldn't agree more with them.
Fergie would struggle to get the best out of what Bruce left us with.
I would love to know who the players that MON tried to get and knocked us back were.
Greedy ****ing footballers are going to ruin the game completely, does no one play for the love of the game anymore?
I would have given anything to be capable of being a pro at any level.
 
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