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[Rocket]

I don't think that's what he was alleging Moses, they have previous so it's not so hard to imagine they could have got to the officials is it?

I don't think you will find many who think the Ref was at it, but he was -and i'm being generous here - appallingly incompetent. I personally have no problem with Celtic at least trying to take a stand, I don't want to see that kind of defending in any football match, I don't think it's much of a stretch of the imaginiation to suspect that everyone can agree on that.

If Celtic let it go without comment then who is to say that every manager who watched that fiasco would not start empolying the same tactics. If a player ran around the park with his arms outstretched paralell to shoulders he would be booked or at least warned, apparently if you do it in the penalty box without even looking at the ball then that's ok. Something has to be done and i'm not simply saying that because Celtic are involved. A couple of years ago I was similary angered by Inter's tactics against Barcelona, and the Dutch tactics (and the Ref's preformance) against Spain in the WC final.

In situations like these I believe it is up to the clubs to complain to UEFA and at least try to get the Referees they employ to follow the Laws of the game and not interpret them as they see fit, or even worse, ignore the Laws completely which is what that Spanish fella did the other night.

If it wasn't for that wee cheatin' fat bastard Hooper trying to obstruct the keeper then there wouldn't have been a problem.

And the Ref can't award a penalty if the ball's not in play.

Just accept for once that you got pumped fair and square by the better team and stop blaming every other khunt.

 

[Gambol]

Am gettin different info about this ****.

What exactly was Celtic's penalty claim at 0-1? If it was the box shenanigans at set pieces in the 2nd half, then no, ye canny have a penalty when the ball is not in play.

Listened to Lenny's interview today after the humpin of the tangerines (or wee Jackie lyin doon for them ) the first thing he talked about was the Juve game. Get a ****in grip ya numpty.

 

[DevAdvocate]

If it wasn't for that wee cheatin' fat bastard Hooper trying to obstruct the keeper then there wouldn't have been a problem.

And the Ref can't award a penalty if the ball's not in play.

Just accept for once that you got pumped fair and square by the better team and stop blaming every other khunt.

You saw Hooper fouling Juve players but did not see the continual fouling by Juve every time we had a corner? We had 10 by the way, and in all but about 3 of those instances the Juve players were hanging onto Celtic players when the ball WAS in play, surely you noticed that?

As for the Ref not being able to award penalties when the ball is out of play, that is true, but he can book players even if the ball is dead, which he did not do, according to you that's because the Juve players were as much sinned against as sinning.

I have to say

 

[Rocket]

You saw Hooper fouling Juve players but did not see the continual fouling by Juve every time we had a corner? We had 10 by the way, and in all but about 3 of those instances the Juve players were hanging onto Celtic players when the ball WAS in play, surely you noticed that?

As for the Ref not being able to award penalties when the ball is out of play, that is true, but he can book players even if the ball is dead, which he did not do, according to you that's because the Juve players were as much sinned against as sinning.

I have to say

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[Chapmeister...]

**** me is this still going on? end of the day what was hoopers intentions? he was trying to put off or obstruct the goalkeeper which is unsporting etc but also not illegal.

perhaps juventus should do a counter and question why commons wasn't send off for being a cheating diving ****?

did the penalty box handbags affect the fact that the two juventus goals came from cutting up your defence?

Celtic: Always cheated never defeated...

i'd imagine they'd be up in arms if this had happened to rangers and wouldn't mock, antagonise or whatever it is they think they do here.

 

[DevAdvocate]

**** me is this still going on? end of the day what was hoopers intentions? he was trying to put off or obstruct the goalkeeper which is unsporting etc but also not illegal.

perhaps juventus should do a counter and question why commons wasn't send off for being a cheating diving ****?

did the penalty box handbags affect the fact that the two juventus goals came from cutting up your defence?

Celtic: Always cheated never defeated...

i'd imagine they'd be up in arms if this had happened to rangers and wouldn't mock, antagonise or whatever it is they think they do here.

Exactly what i'd expect.

 

[DevAdvocate]

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[Chapmeister...]

Exactly what i'd expect.

exactly, an honest "callitasitisnobullshitfactfilledstatement" as always

 

[eric cartman]

**** me is this still going on? end of the day what was hoopers intentions? he was trying to put off or obstruct the goalkeeper which is unsporting etc but also not illegal.

perhaps juventus should do a counter and question why commons wasn't send off for being a cheating diving ****?

did the penalty box handbags affect the fact that the two juventus goals came from cutting up your defence?

Celtic: Always cheated never defeated...

i'd imagine they'd be up in arms if this had happened to rangers and wouldn't mock, antagonise or whatever it is they think they do here.

More like once a cheat always cheat. Face it Juventus are at. Remember ambrose and that penalty that never was. Happened at the height of their match fixing.

 

[DevAdvocate]

exactly, an honest "callitasitisnobullshitfactfilledstatement" as always

Not really, I was expecting you to display an obvious inability to view anything concerning Celtic with an unjaundiced eye or even with a semblance of objectivity or neutrality.

What about Hooper, What about Commons?

Predictable but no less amusing - in a sad way.

 

[Chapmeister...]

Not really, I was expecting you to display an obvious inability to view anything concerning Celtic with an unjaundiced eye or even with a semblance of objectivity or neutrality.

What about Hooper, What about Commons?

Predictable but no less amusing - in a sad way.

haha, ***hypocrite alert!!!***

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

You saw Hooper fouling Juve players but did not see the continual fouling by Juve every time we had a corner? We had 10 by the way, and in all but about 3 of those instances the Juve players were hanging onto Celtic players when the ball WAS in play, surely you noticed that?

As for the Ref not being able to award penalties when the ball is out of play, that is true, but he can book players even if the ball is dead, which he did not do, according to you that's because the Juve players were as much sinned against as sinning.

I have to say

So Hooper didn't turn into a child and start pulling and shoving that Juve player?

You talk some ****e dev. Every person I've spoken to about that match says that while the Juve player started the carry on Hooper was more than happy to continue it.

You lost 3 nil. What the **** does it matter if a pair of spastics were pushing and pulling in the box.

 

[DevAdvocate]

haha, ***hypocrite alert!!!***

How's that? You have evidence? I don't claim to be neutral where Rangers are concerned but I always try and take my own bias into account, and I certainly don't become blind to events which occur in plain sight, which you clearly have. You made no mention whatsoever of the Italians manhandling, instead you go on the attack and cite two Celtic players for their behaviour.

File under:

None so blind

 

[DevAdvocate]

So Hooper didn't turn into a child and start pulling and shoving that Juve player?

You talk some ****e dev. Every person I've spoken to about that match says that while the Juve player started the carry on Hooper was more than happy to continue it.

You lost 3 nil. What the **** does it matter if a pair of spastics were pushing and pulling in the box.

Did you watch the game?

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

Did you watch the game?

No but even the taigs I've spoken to said they had no idea what hooper was doing.

It doesn't really matter what you say, fact is if I searched youtube for 5 minutes I guarantee I'd find Hooper pushing and pulling just as much as the Juve player.

Do you disagree?

 

[DevAdvocate]

No but even the taigs I've spoken to said they had no idea what hooper was doing.

It doesn't really matter what you say, fact is if I searched youtube for 5 minutes I guarantee I'd find Hooper pushing and pulling just as much as the Juve player.

Do you disagree?

Are you for real?

You are trying to debate events which you did not witness?

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

Are you for real?

You are trying to debate events which you did not witness?

Are you trying to tell me Hooper done absolutely nothing wrong? And didn't act like a complete tool by continuing to push and pull after the referee had given both of them yellow cards?

 

[DevAdvocate]

Are you trying to tell me Hooper done absolutely nothing wrong? And didn't act like a complete tool by continuing to push and pull after the referee had given both of them yellow cards?

Don't take my word for it:

Celtic were beaten by Juve - but they were let down by the referee. Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks and Mick McManus were all that was missing from this wrestling extravaganza

Celtic's Champions League dream lies in ruins after a 3-0 defeat by Juventus in the first leg of their last-16 tie but they were not helped by the referee. Celtic should have had a penalty for the blatant holding at corners which, had they converted, could have put a completely different perspective on the game. Spanish referee Alberto Undiano Mallenca chose to discipline Hoops striker Gary Hooper and Juve defender Stephan Lichtsteiner when clashes occurred and did so before the corner was taken, meaning a penalty could not be awarded.

That is a good way of letting players know you have seen the holding and blocking and will not tolerate it. However, when it continues unabated, despite those yellow cards, you have a duty to increase the punishment. Some of it reminded me of the old ITV wrestling days. So either red cards should have been shown or preferably at least one penalty awarded for the blatant holding. Celtic manager Neil Lennon had every right to feel hard done by. Graham Poll

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JUVENTUS legend Gianluca Vialli admits his old club over-indulged in the black arts at Parkhead. Vialli said: “The Italian defenders carry on a very bad habit that they have developed in the Italian Championship where referees are very reluctant to award penalties for that kind of behaviour in the penalty box. “They don’t have the courage to do it because everyone will say the day after that incidents like that happen thousands of times. The problem is that, on paper, it works. If you give a penalty for something like that, people then say you shouldn’t have done so.

“Italians are very good at talking about that but then we immediately go to the other side of the fence. “Because of that, Italian defenders behave the same way in Europe but they have got to be extremely careful as there were definitely some situations which should have been awarded as penalties for Celtic. “Sometimes defenders have to be clever to prevent the opponents from jumping and scoring. “But there is a very thin line between what you can do and what you can’t. Some pulling is allowed but you need to be clever and at Celtic there was far too much.”

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

Don't take my word for it:

Celtic were beaten by Juve - but they were let down by the referee. Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks and Mick McManus were all that was missing from this wrestling extravaganza

Celtic's Champions League dream lies in ruins after a 3-0 defeat by Juventus in the first leg of their last-16 tie but they were not helped by the referee. Celtic should have had a penalty for the blatant holding at corners which, had they converted, could have put a completely different perspective on the game. Spanish referee Alberto Undiano Mallenca chose to discipline Hoops striker Gary Hooper and Juve defender Stephan Lichtsteiner when clashes occurred and did so before the corner was taken, meaning a penalty could not be awarded.

That is a good way of letting players know you have seen the holding and blocking and will not tolerate it. However, when it continues unabated, despite those yellow cards, you have a duty to increase the punishment. Some of it reminded me of the old ITV wrestling days. So either red cards should have been shown or preferably at least one penalty awarded for the blatant holding. Celtic manager Neil Lennon had every right to feel hard done by. Graham Poll

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JUVENTUS legend Gianluca Vialli admits his old club over-indulged in the black arts at Parkhead. Vialli said: “The Italian defenders carry on a very bad habit that they have developed in the Italian Championship where referees are very reluctant to award penalties for that kind of behaviour in the penalty box. “They don’t have the courage to do it because everyone will say the day after that incidents like that happen thousands of times. The problem is that, on paper, it works. If you give a penalty for something like that, people then say you shouldn’t have done so.

“Italians are very good at talking about that but then we immediately go to the other side of the fence. “Because of that, Italian defenders behave the same way in Europe but they have got to be extremely careful as there were definitely some situations which should have been awarded as penalties for Celtic. “Sometimes defenders have to be clever to prevent the opponents from jumping and scoring. “But there is a very thin line between what you can do and what you can’t. Some pulling is allowed but you need to be clever and at Celtic there was far too much.”

You really didn't read that did you?

Are you denying Hooper acted in an unprofessional manner or not

Yes or no dev? it really isn't a complicated question.

 

[DevAdvocate]

You really didn't read that did you?

Are you denying Hooper acted in an unprofessional manner or not, yes or no dev.

You gave me your take on the game and i've given you the view of two neutrals who dispute your version of events.

If you don't want to read it I will understand but considering that you wanted to debate the topic, I don't see the point in ignoring what people who saw the game thought about it.

My version of events is brought into question naturally, your opinion is also questionable, moreso, considering you did not actually see anything, so here are two impartial witnesses to events. Who to believe?

As for your question "did Hooper act in an unprofessional manner", in what way did you see his behaviour as unprofessional? Do they award yellow cards for that?