While I think the ref didnot control the holding in the penalty box well ( and even if he did we still would have been beaten imo ) I too was getting very annoyed at hooper and was willing him to come out from the goalmouth, closer to the ref even to increase pressure on him, and make the defender foul him out there, while he was running at speed....and yes, I know this happened with brown . I couldve explained that better, but I cant be arsed writting it again Anyway Super, its a valid point being made, Hooper shouldve changed what he was doing at least some of the time ; If david leggats nephew can see it I dont understand why you cant.
No. Please. Juventus players being technically and tactically superior, being more experienced, taking their chances , dealing with our relatively one-dimensional attack, missing our most influencial player in european games and having a central defender who was still mentally 30,000 feet over the north atlantic influencd the result.
Rogueleader how do you know that Ambrose was still mentally 30,000 ft above the North Atlantic. Why would his mind be there, I don't know when he last flew over that part of ocean Platini was happy with his prediction as he knew that when Celtic play a club from a strong Southern European league , it is a ref from another S E L that controls the match. As the game panned out there were numerous penalties that could have been awarded , with a couple sendings off. Celtic have on more than one occasions conceded similar soft early goals, and we Hadn't the excuse of long pre match flights. However Ambrose failed to handle the long ball, but I think Wilson should have got himself over in support a lot quicker, or our goalie should have been out on top of the situation , it just wasn't Ambrose fault. You talked about our rather one dimensional attack, really what did you expect from a team from a small league playing at a level it hadn't reached for years. We couldn't expect multi pronged attacks, we haven't a team of £20m pound players in every position. But we can expect our attacks to be defended legally or else the offending team punished. If they had, even with our defence at sea in the third min we could have easily got a win. If they had to play for an hour or so with a man short they would have been even more cynical.
Rogueleader, can I remind you that when Hooper came out in the second half and Wilson and others took turns to act as blocker, Their big tall goalie caught every corner, so Hooper was in fact our best player at doing this legitimate tactic. I wonder had Scotland's special ambassador to UEFA any involvement in choosing The referee, or instructing him. I noted that Juventus had asked the referee to submit three or four videos of matches he had controlled, or I suppose more likely failed to control. Leave poor Pud alone, he has a very tough job and deserves our backing not sneers and rebukes.
So you don't think there is anything wrong with reading things you think are funny? Glad that is settled
Sorry super , don't know where the ref was from it was actually Lazio not Roma that had a player sent off .
I recall a couple of seasons ago when Celtic got several decisions from Refs in Scotland which some classed as dubious. Game changing decisions like a throw in and a free kick were evidence - some suggested - that Celtic's continuing criticism of Referees was paying off and that the Refs, to a man, were "Running scared" of Celtic and refusing to award decisions against them for fear of getting demoted by the SFA or getting their windows tanned by Tims. This was at best ludicrous, and at worst stupefying paranoia and a pre disposition to look for any excuse to offload the blame. The suggestion that the Ref was somehow influenced by Platini's off the cuff remark is just nonsense i'm afraid, no better that the tripe spouted by Gers fans a few seasons back. When the draw for the last 16 was made and Juve and Celtic came out together someone at STV tweeted "Bye bye Celtic", maybe the Ref saw that and that was what infuenced him? That's as reasonable an argument as this one.
FFS we only had set pieces as a threat, juve nullified that. Celtic's fault. We need to find other ways to threaten top level european teams if we are to get past this stage, we don't have that right now. We are already out rather than behind because we took a massive gamble an utterly ridiculous decision to play Ambrose. Our Fault. Lennon is keeping the ref story going to keep criticism away from him and the players as well as trying to stop the same tactic being employed again.
Not for minute am I saying the ref was corrupt , 3 weeks ago the champions league referees met in Rome one of things on the agenda was blocking at a corner , a Russian carried out the rules our Spanish ref didn't . Remember if the ref hadn't given us a wrong penalty against Moscow there would have been no game against Juventus .
What was wrong with the pen against Moscow? I said it before that we pilloried Hooper for taking a needless nibble in a European tie last year that cost us a penalty. I don't see too much difference.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4798057/Tug-of-war.html Hopefully they dont decide to go for the jugular and double the aggregate score!!
If Juve win the second leg it's your fault.... they will have read this disrespecful comment. Be prepared to wake up with a horses' arse in your bed (or your lasagne).
