That is probably the best game I have ever watched! So proud of the boys :') Anyway do you think N'Zonzi's red card was correct? Also do you think Southampton hand balled at all?
According to Dion Dublin on the BBC, it wasn't even a foul and yes blatent handball. Thanks Cluelessberg.
Blatant handball, and he was already on a yellow so would have been off. And the red card, the commentators on the stream I watched said it was a red, but I didn't think so. He was late, put his foot down hard, didn't actually make contact but it did look a bit dangerous, and I think maybe the ref viewed it as an attempted stamp on the player.
I was right behind the Boothen goal as per usual.. looked like a stone wall handball, it looked like a punch of the ball off K Js head? I was waiting for the ball to hit the net tbh. The Red card? I've only seen it live, did'nt have a great view of it so who knows? Some saying their player was'nt touched I'll reserve comment until Ive seen it again. Also a 2 pen appeal turned down but coming back from 3-1 down BRILLIANT. As for Clatterbug... so many things he missed it's untrue. Still, well done Southampton great first half and deserved a pt.
Definitely a handball to me, we got away with one. But then I think there was also a handball on Stoke earlier that should have been called. Not nearly as blatant, but probably still could have been a PK as I believe it was in the box. N'Zonzi's red card was correct in my opinion. He was late, really had no chance on the ball and to me looked clearly like he was stamping on the player. He missed though, perhaps because he realized what he was doing at the very last second. But the intent was there. He kind of stepped over the player to do it, it was not at all a natural tackling motion. Clattenberg definitely blew a series of calls near the end that went Saints' way. But overall, I don't think it mattered. Jerome's strike was fantastic, but also a bit lucky so in a certain sense "undeserved." But you did dominate the second half. OTOH you were also rather bad the first half so really can't complain about being down 3-1 especially when two of the goals you practically put in your own net. Think a draw was probably a fair result, though the score and the way it happened was quite remarkable. Very entertaining match.
I think a draw was fair enough too mate.. but Jerome's goal was lucky???? YOU are kidding me, as soon as it left his foot it was in I was right behind it. Non the less, well done Southamton, better tactics buy Nigel Adkins and you may well have come away with the 3pts... And now you are going to say, Jones's goal was also lucky? A surperb finish, had Van Persie scored that, All Manure Utd fans would be drooling over it! Same with Jerome's goal too! Good luck anyway, you won't go down IMO
A lot of people probably had this down for last on MotD, but with the build up it was getting I just had a feeling it would be a great game. So deflating watching that ball fly in, he couldn't have hit it any better and I thought we would do it after the red card. You should have had a penalty for the Fonte handball though. We can feel disappointed but at least we got an unexpected point, take that out and it was a superb performance so close to taking advantage of your absences. can't wait to take on Arsenal on Tuesday. PS I had a look at the Cameron suspension, it's true that he's only had four yellows this season, it turns out that he got a yellow card for Houston last March, yes March, and because the MLS season is January-November it got carried over and he ended up with a ban.
I'm not taking anything away from that strike. Jerome definitely meant to do it, and he struck it just right so it was all skill in that sense. But I think 9 out of 10 times he tries that it doesn't go in. Because if he could score like that on a regular basis he would be talked about in the same breath as Messi. It was that good. It was lucky only in the sense that most great goals are somewhat lucky. It was completely unexpected and made the game more entertaining. It's not that I felt Stoke couldn't score at the time. I was plenty nervous. But I think all of us were thinking that if there were to be an equalizer, it would come off Crouch or Jones' head from a cross. Or maybe Jerome sneaking into the box and poaching one. That seemed to be Stoke's plan and it was also what Saints were defending against. No one would have put money on Jerome scoring a screaming volley from distance.
Smither's It's just a pity Jerome's goal did'nt win it! But, as I said I thought a draw over the 90mins was fair enough. The fact that Southampton did'nt hold out is because of bad tatics on Nigel Adkins part and OUR LADS for NEVER giving in! Almost feels like a win to me.
I agree Potts but I will be happy when Shawcross and Cameron are back on Tuesday, we looked a right mess at the back.
If a player of a "better club" or "better footballing club" had scored it I doubt people would call it lucky. It's because it's Stoke and people think whenever we do something like that it's just plain luck, but if Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Van Persie did that it would be hailed. I'm surprised you didn't say we "hoofed" it in the net. I haven't seen the N'Zonzi foul back but I believed it to be a red at the time but if he hasn't caught him, I will make my own opinion when I watch MOTD later. I think N'Zonzi was frustrated as he had clearly just been fouled but hadn't been given and N'Zonzi can have a short fuse as well as being a great player and went out and did something silly. Couldn't believe the penalty didn't get given. There was 27,000 spectators, loads of coaching staff, 22 players who saw that handball but sadly 2 people that mattered did not. Thank goodness GC and Ryan are back for the next game as we need order at the back. Glad we recovered to get a draw but overall very disappointed as I was desperate for us to win this game as Nigel Adkins really gets on my nerves. Still not forgiven him for his snide, arrogant comment about us when he was Scunthorpe manager.
I was watching on a grainy livestream and I saw that it was a blatant handball when Jones headed the ball on target, bringing us level. I also re watched the N'Zonzi 'stamp' and it was obvious he didn't stamp him and even if he did it wasn't on purpose, admittedly he was late but it was not a stamp it looked like his feet were on the floor and just missed his leg.
Stoke are appealing the red card apparently. I saw the incident on MOTD and I am not sure that card will be recinded. He did not actually stamp on the man as he put his foot between his legs but he was angry after the previous challenge on him and was a bit wound up when he went into the challenge. This is the reason I think the red card could stand. I hope I'm wrong of course because N'Zonzi will be missed if banned for 3 games.
I've seen it now a few times. And the fact that the Saints player rolls around IMO is even worse than the attempt to win the ball back. It's clear that N'Zonzi never made contact. So why roll around like you have been hit by a mysterious sniper from above? Even Nigel Adkins said " Tony is fuming, all I saw was the player rolling around" A strange one though. N'Zonzi has never looked like he would hurt anyone. Will it be recinded? We're Stoke so I guess it won't.
An excellent 2nd half performance to rescue a point. Saints got their tactics right in the first half getting crosses into the box early on to unsettle our 'makeshift' defence but the goals conceded were very poor and should have been prevented. We have not defended like that all season and ShawX and cameron were sorely missed. Saints got overun towards the end so a draw was probably a fair result though I am a tad disappointed we did not win.
I think he went in aggressively but controlled himself at the last second. Is the ref man enough to recind it, we will have to wait and see. It looked like simulation by their player to me, so if it is recinded will action be taken about that.
With all that has happened to Clattenburg recently I don't think he will want to admit he may have made a mistake in sending N'Zonzi off so it will be down to the FA
