OT - SweatShops Do We Really Care?

[BringBackfootie]

I've read and listened to distaste and downright anger about his subject. Most people I've heard give voice against slave labor own an IPhone.



Do we care? but not enough to not buy something we want but seldom actually need.?

I was happy for us to move to Warrior, I did not want Addidas making Liverpools kit. If Warrior are same LFC should be canning them.

No football club should be using a kit maker that uses sweatshops. Umbro are another that do.

I have bought Addidas, but not for 3 years. Never had an IPhone and I do boycott stuff made in sweat shops if I am aware they are.

How many of you have an IPad and or Iphone or any other device made in a sweatshop by an enslaved person and do you actually give a monkeys?

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Was this meant for the Liverpool board?

Every decent sports brand uses sweatshops and whilst conditions are poor as is the pay it is slowly improving and aside from making your own football boots out of hemp there isn't a lot of option but from brands that use sweatshops.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Not crossed my mind till I read this, this obvious answer is no, I would not want any money of mine filtering down to helping run a sweatshop. It raises the question how do we know where any of our clothes come from, or parts of, linings can be made elsewhere. Walking round in protest in the buff isn't an option, so what do you do?

 

[Boss]

I have bought Addidas, but not for 3 years.

If that sweatshop was doing their job correctly then you wouldnt have looked like a plonker wearing Addidas, or is that the budget version of Adidas?

 

[BringBackfootie]

typo, tyyypo

From what I gather on both threads people mostly own Iphones and then blab out about civil rights, makes me laugh.

Conditions improving, omfg. Yeah apple installed jumper nets yet kids still work horrendous hours for a buck a day, given toxic chemicals to clean iphones, Fox conn being one of the worst of these companies

The Gap's sweat shops had children working 80 hours a week forced labor

 

[Boss]

ha

But all jokes aside, yes people care from a far view, as we can all read articles or watch panaorama and see what happens, yet clearly we don't care enough or the demand for a certain lifestyle is a priorty.

Personally i won' t pretend its an issue for me, as if i stopped using certain products just because they were made in sweatshops, then does that make me a good person? or am i making a pointless stance that wont make any difference?

If i could stop kids and women being treated as slaves in a sweatshop then i would help without hesistation but in reality, me, or you, cant do anything to make a real difference.

 

[BringBackfootie]

ha

But all jokes aside, yes people care from a far view, as we can all read articles or watch panaorama and see what happens, yet clearly we don't care enough or the demand for a certain lifestyle is a priorty.

Personally i won' t pretend its an issue for me, as if i stopped using certain products just because they were made in sweatshops, then does that make me a good person? or am i making a pointless stance that wont make any difference?

If i could stop kids and women being treated as slaves in a sweatshop then i would help without hesistation but in reality, me, or you, cant do anything to make a real difference.

That is soo not true.

All people have to do is not buy and then email apple why they are not buying. If european sales fell by 70% you WOULD see action.

once the cost of lost sales rises above the savings from slave labor Apple would literally have no choice but to relocate manufacturing as would any other brand

 

[BringBackfootie]

I have read a fair bit about the injustice of racism. Posted via blood covered IPhones, a little irony for us

 

[Boss]

ha

But all jokes aside, yes people care from a far view, as we can all read articles or watch panaorama and see what happens, yet clearly we don't care enough or the demand for a certain lifestyle is a priorty.

Personally i won' t pretend its an issue for me, as if i stopped using certain products just because they were made in sweatshops, then does that make me a good person? or am i making a pointless stance that wont make any difference?

If i could stop kids and women being treated as slaves in a sweatshop then i would help without hesistation but in reality, me, or you, cant do anything to make a real difference.

That is soo not true.

All people have to do is not buy and then email apple why they are not buying. If european sales fell by 70% you WOULD see action.

once the cost of lost sales rises above the savings from slave labor Apple would literally have no choice but to relocate manufaturing

Do you realise how many people would have to stop buying an iphone/ipad, then email why for that to make a difference? it will never happen

 

[Spurf]

It's difficult because Britain itself is fast turning into a nation with it's own sweatshops often called Call Centres. Min. wage here is obviously better than the conditions in the far east which are rather like 18th century Britain. There's the clue, China, India, Indonesia are going through their own Industrial Revolution and at a faster pace than our own. The world is turning and Min wage jobs, no employment rights, short term contracts, and little in the way of prospects. Graduates working so-called Internships (Otherwise known as slave labour). People working at Poundland for no money and subsidisied by our taxes are all here now.

Until people wake up to the Chicago economics that have gained the upper hand throughout the 'free' world and start fighting back I can only see a downward spiral for the masses and an increasing dominance by the Fat Catristocats.

In the scheme of things Far Eastern sweatshops are small beer, unless you work in them of course.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

typo, tyyypo

From what I gather on both threads people mostly own Iphones and then blab out about civil rights, makes me laugh.

Conditions improving, omfg. Yeah apple installed jumper nets yet kids still work horrendous hours for a buck a day, given toxic chemicals to clean iphones, Fox conn being one of the worst of these companies

The Gap's sweat shops had children working 80 hours a week forced labor

"had" being the operative word. I didn't say anything was improving fast but it's also worth looking at who's really at fault here. Of course big companies should have more responsibility over the working conditions but companies are not run by people that are supposed to be able to make moral decisions, they're supposed to make profits and good business decisions. It's those in charge of the countries where there employment law is so weak it allows this to happen who should bear the responsibility of ensuring that their own people are not forced to work in these conditions. A million tents outside St Paul's Cathedral wouldn't make the difference that a handful of governments in those regions raising their minimum working standards in law.

I'm not defending the companies that use sweatshops but I do believe that responsibility of the companies is much less than the responsibilities governments and in turn I(and most others) believe that the responsibility of the individual consumer is diluted much further still. It's not worth just concentrating on the posterboys for the campaigns against sweatshops, like Apple and Nike, because for each of them there are smaller competitors who do the same but get less of the publicity because less people buy their products. If you really don't own anything that's made in a sweatshop then it's a small wardrobe you have and you'd better check where the wardrobe's from too, you don't want to find you've contributed to deforestation.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The obvious problem is that those companies actually run the governments now, to a large extent.
The banking lobby basically ****ed the world economy pissing about and making a variety of people extremely wealthy and they did so by pressurising politicians into screwing up the regulations.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

Most of my footie strips I've bough off eBay for about £15, from places like Thailand and Indonesia. I work on the basis a sweatshop worker pilfered a few on the way home, and sells them online to quintuple what they;re paid per week.