Supporter led could work. Claiming money after making a statement aimed at starving Dundee Utd of revenue? Anyone thinking Thompson will hand over a penny is deluded.
Dundee United should hand over every penny owed to Sevco re the upcoming cup game The SFA should then fine Sevco the same amount for bringing the game into disrepute Everyone wins
The SFA have a meeting planned to discuss whether or not Rangers are entitled to a share of the gate receipts, Chuck should have just kept schtum.
so i have a new job which means i cant spend much time on here with medro.... usually i would say this is green rabble rousing as per the edgeoid but utd really are a horrible wee self serving ****ey club and, in this instance, deserve what they get especially running to the sfa about it? what sad little ****s there fans are - just sell it out with your own fans if you are that bothered
joint statement from ArabTRUST & The Federation Posted Tuesday 4th December 2012 It's with great disappointment that we read Rangers' official statement indicating that they will not take up their ticket allocation for the Scottish Cup tie in February. In a time when Scottish football needs to look to the future and how we can rebuild our game, it's sad that some parties choose to refer to past alleged indiscretions against their club as an excuse to not attend the match. In the instances referred to by Rangers supporters, a court of law decided that Dundee United had acted appropriately in respect of ticketing post the abandoned game in 2009. As for the decision by the SPL to take action against Rangers in the summer, this was made by the majority of clubs - not only Dundee United. We believe that the stance taken by Rangers brings them into disrepute in respect of the Scottish Cup. We therefore call on the SFA to act strongly, in particular by stating that the normal competition rules in respect of an equal split of gate money do not apply in this case and that all revenues should be retained by Dundee United. We also put trust in the SFA using their powers to ensure that fans are free to choose whether to attend games or not and that our competitions, which rely on spectator participation to ensure continued commercial and media profile, are not devalued as a result of the actions of one member club against another. We call on all Arabs to pack Tannadice and get behind the team in February. The tie is a fantastic opportunity for our club to progress to the quarter final of the Scottish Cup and be just one game away from Hampden. As supporters bodies, we do not agree with any boycott - fans are the lifeblood of the game. We believe that all clubs and fans need to work together for the good of the Scottish game, rather than continue debating decisions made in the past which many have long moved on from. It's sad that yet again, we're talking about non-football matters, particularly on a day when our Under 20 team won 5-1 to remain top of their league and in the run-up to the derby weekend - a fixture eagerly awaited by fans. We hope this game will again show the positive aspects of football that emanate from the City of Dundee. Weren't they threatening to boycott if Rangers got back into the SPL?
What do you mean "Got back in"? They threatened to boycott - as did most other fans - if the SFA/SPL ignored their own rulebook and allowed a Newco straight entry into the SPL.
If they want to play by the rulebook then fair enough No. Rule 41 states: "the visiting club shall have the right to claim admissions up to 20% of the spectator capacity of the ground". It is a right, not an obligation. The visiting club is entitled to 37.5% of the gate. Rule 46©(1) requires 5% of the gate to be given to the SFA as a levy. Rule 46©(2) allows the home club to keep 20% of the gate. Rule 46©(3) splits the remainder equally between the clubs i.e. we get half of 75%. Rule 46(e) requires the home club to pay our share to us on the day of the match (unless agreement is otherwise reached). Can Dundee Hibs reduce the ticket price to, say, £1? No. Rule 40 requires that the price is to be agreed between the clubs. In the absence of agreement "the charges which are normally made for the regular fixtures of the club" will apply. In any event, the price cannot be below £8. So if Green does not agree otherwise, Dundee Hibs will have to charge their normal prices (£20-£25?).
And you expect Dundee Utd to simply roll over and allow Rangers to tickle their tummies for 40% of the Gate Receipts even though they don't want any tickets? Get a grip.
The SFA? Well let's wait and see, but I doubt there is anything in that book about Clubs "Officially" boycotting matches and what should be done in that eventuality, but common sense dictates that Rangers have given up their right to any share of the gate money, or do you think Rangers should try and get the money?
Dev discussing a Scottish cup game between Dundee United and Rangers which takes place next year when his club are playing a massive European match tonight NOT OBSESSED THOUGH
Rangers, Dundee Utd and Scottish Cup tickets: Your questions answered By Andy Coyle 5 December 2012 Rangers will not request tickets for their fans for the tie at Tannadice Rangers have sparked controversy by stating that they will not take tickets from Dundee United for their Scottish Cup tie. Rangers chief executive Charles Green has said that the history between the clubs, and security concenrs are behind the decision, which has the backing of supporters groups. We've looked at some of the questions that have arisen from the controversial decision. Why have Rangers taken this step? Rangers were denied re-entry to the SPL in the summer after the asset sale that saw Charles Green’s consortium take control of the club. This is the first time Rangers have been drawn to play away against SPL opposition since the summer. Rangers supporters groups had initially called on fans to boycott the game. The Rangers Supporters Assembly has urged a “full boycott” of the match in response to United’s part in denying the club SPL entry and also because of a ticketing controversy in 2009. Charles Green issued a statement on Tuesday evening saying the club would not be taking up their allocation of tickets for the game. He said that the decision was a unanimous one by the board, senior management and staff at Ibrox. “Everyone at this club is dismayed at the actions of certain SPL clubs, which were actively engaged in trying to harm Rangers when we were in a perilous situation and we are acutely aware of their attitude to us,” he added. Don’t they have to take tickets? The Scottish FA competition rules state that Rangers have a right to a minimum number of tickets but don’t specify an obligation to purchase any. Rule 41 states: “the visiting club shall have the right to claim admissions up to 20% of the spectator capacity of the ground” and says that if any of the allocation is not sold then it should be returned to the host club 24 hours before kick-off. Will Rangers make money from the game? Again, the Scottish Cup rules specify that revenue from the game should be split between the participating teams in each tie. Rule 46 lays out the procedure for teams in the Fifth Round as: (1) The host club shall be entitled to make a deduction of 20% from the gross receipts. (2) When half of the receipts remaining exceed the guarantee, the said receipts shall be divided, equally, between the clubs. (3) When half of the receipts remaining do not exceed the guarantee, the visiting club shall only receive the guarantee. The guarantee mentioned is a payment of up to £400 that should be made from the host to the visitors. So Rangers would expect to receive the share of the takings, after expenses. In practice, the amount is more likely to be around a third of the day’s ticket receipts. Discussing the issue on Twitter, Scott Struthers from Hamilton Academical said that with costs varying for the home team, in his experience the visiting team receives between 29% and 35%. How much are they likely to make? It’s hard to predict. The size of the crowd isn’t known and expenses, such as policing, all need to be factored in. Could Dundee United just charge pennies to get in? No. Rule 40 sets a minimum price of £8 per ticket. Any pricing over and above that has to be agreed between Dundee united and Rangers. If the clubs can’t reach agreement, the Scottish FA would apply the price for a regular match at Tannadice. It isn’t clear whether that regular pricing would be based on last year’s Scottish Cup ties or from this season’s Scottish Premier League games. In any case, limiting the amount of revenue would not help United. Failing to bring in enough to cover costs would leave them out of pocket. Covering costs and making a profit means a fair split between teams so ever pound denied to Rangers would also be denied to Dundee United. Could United, for example, let season ticket holders in for free? Dundee United could allow their season ticket holders in for free but would have to contribute to the receipts as if those spectators had paid in on the day at the same price. It would leave the SPL side out of pocket. Could the Scottish FA change the rules? Rule 47 (a) allows for temporary changes to the rules. However, 47 says any permanent changes have to be approved at the Scottish FA AGM. It would be surprising if 47(a) was invoked to overturn any of the other applicable rules, given that they cover all matches in the competition. Can Dundee United withhold the cash? No, that would breach Cup rules. The share of receipts has to be paid to Rangers or the United would face sanctions. Are there any other rules that could apply? What about bringing the game into disrepute or not acting in the best interests of football? There are broader Scottish FA rules about the conduct of clubs and officials. However, any charges would likely be met with a vigorous defence from Rangers who would argue that they have acted within the stated cup competition rules. The Ibrox club could also argue that given the strong feelings associated with the match and the security concerns that Rangers highlighted in their statement, they are acting in the best interests of football by reducing the likelihood of any flashpoints. What happens if it goes to a replay? The teams would meet at Ibrox with all the above still applying. United could take an allocation or not and would still be entitled to their share of the income.
