How can you not expect him to respond to the racism? All he did was kick a ball into a crowd he didn't throw his fists about!
He didn't "kick the ball away", he deliberately kicked it with as much force as he could at the spectators. Had this been the only thing going on at that moment, there would be no argument about the referee's action in giving him a second yellow, and hence sending him off. But this specific issue has been clouded by the other things going on.
difficult one - but in what was a very hostile environment - with supporters trying to get on the pitch - with emotion that high - i dont think it was the brightest thing he could've done...that said, i understand him doing it and would probably react in a similar manner myself - but if some nutter had hopped onto the pitch as a result and done something? barton gets himself an awful lot of abuse wherever he goes - certainly every match i've ever been to that he has played in...granted he deserves alot of what he gets...its just different in nature...
So lets get this crap that your spouting correct, you are lambasting a player who had suffered vile racist chants from the warm up till after the final whistle, plus had rocks,bottles and seats thrown at him, for kicking a ball (actually not that hard) at the guilty party. what a pile of crap and hopefully once you read this back you will be ashamed of yourself!
How did kicking the ball away constitute a red card anyway? I've seen people kick the ball away in anger and get a yellow at worst. Is it classed as violence? And if so, what about the blatant violence to our players? Did any Serbs actually get sent off?
How do you know that it was deliberately kicked at the fans with as much force as possible. There were far worse things going on, such as racism for example!
My mention of Barton was simply to point out that everyone accepts that "provocation" is not an excuse. Many things that shouldn't happen do so because of some sort of provocation. If Barton pleads "provocation" (as he did after the Man City sending off last season), nobody thinks it's an excuse for his loss of self-control. Nor is "provocation" any more of an excuse for Rose losing self-control in those circumstances last night.
All i can say its a ****ing good he doesn't ref us if he gives a yellow for kicking the ball in the crowd, we would only have 7 players by half time!
If he would have picked up a seat and chucked it back at the fans who had just tried to kill an english player (because that could have happened if it had hit some one in the head) then it might have been different!
Rose's reaction was nowhere near as sever as Barton's. Rose merely kicked the ball because of the abuse he was receiving. Barton hit several players. Barton's response was violent for a small thing, Rose's response was smaller for a big thing.
Not only that, what Barton did is a criminal offence. Kicking a ball is not a criminal offence. Even when you look at intention to cause harm, Barton fully intended to, Rose didn't. Also Rose is far ore justified to be upset about what happened than Barton did for what happened to him.
Robbie, I respect your right to hold the opinion that you do, but I have to tell you, you are very much in the minority on that one!
not too sure the two situations are comparible, are they? you could look at it the other way - and think if this crowd are that brazen and hateful that they are blatantly launching huge missiles at players from the stands - and completely unthinking as to the consequence - what else are they prepared to do? you could think what further problems could i be creating for any black supporters present...
I like ILD, have been on the FIFA site registering my protest and accusing them as well as UEFA of habouring and giving shelter to racists. The current President of Serbia still denies his nation commited genocide in Srebrenica in July 1995. We shouldn't be playing sport against these nations.
What's really disgraceful is that the Serbian FA have simply denied that anything even happened. I hope I'm wrong, but this will be an opportunity missed for FIFA to show they are serious about racism.
Serbia have said that Rose incited the crowd, the only form of incitement I saw was Rose kicking the ball and that's hardly anything. The racist abuse started before that anyway. Both Serbia and England have now been charged by UEFA. Also, the ones to complain to (in this situation) are UEFA, not FIFA. FIFA are not responsible for these matches, UEFA are.
Since when was the majority right by definition? I am not making racist remarks, I am not defending the Serbians, I am simply criticising Rose for reacting when, in the words of his own captain on the night, "international players should behave better". That goes for Rose as much as anyone else. The violence of the reactions my relatively mild observation has provoked is wholly disproportionate. If people disagree, let them just say why and then everyone can make up their own minds about the rights and wrongs of it. If people are entrenched in their views, or have made up their minds irrevocably about something, what's the point of posting anything? Are we required to keep quiet if we have a perspective on events that others are ignoring or overlooking? Incidentally, the way to respond as a player to racist abuse was demonstrated by our own Tom Adeyemi at Liverpool. He took action to have the game stopped and the team management and match officials put in the picture. What is needed from FIFA, and indeed all governing bodies including our own FA and the Premier League, is a code of practice to be followed if racist abuse is occurring. Players would then have an on-the-spot recourse.
