How long can Pepe demand a starting place?

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CCC said:
Reina is a great keeper, but he's having a bad patch. He is a fantastic player for us and he'll always have the fans' support for his previous heroics and his club loyalty.

We do, however, need to give him some competition. We need a good young prospect as his understudy, to push him. We need to start phasing in a new keeper in the next 5 years. 30-35 is usually when keepers are at their peak, so Reina will be here for a while yet, if he performs and, more importantly, if he wants to stay. A quality, young number 2 keeper is absolutely vital though. <ok>
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I don't have any issue with competition for Reina. It's healthy and in line with club policy. However, i don't agree with focusing purely on errors. He's still making some bloody good saves as well.
 
Bluff City Red said:
Competition, could have been Doni but he was used so sparingly last year, we had that competition for him but I don't think we used it correctly.
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True, does anyone know exactly what his situation is right now? I know he had to go back to Brazil for family reasons but it'd be nice to know what the situation is with him returning. I do hope that his family pull through whatever crisis it is they're currently going through. I'm quite fond of the big guy despite his limited playing time, his sending off last year on his debut was one of the most gut-wrenching moments I've witnessed in football, I felt really sorry for him.
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
I don't have any issue with competition for Reina. It's healthy and in line with club policy. However, i don't agree with focusing purely on errors. He's still making some bloody good saves as well.
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But is he though? He made a world class save against Norwich (even if the player was offside) but more often than not I feel like he hasn't been above and beyond the call of duty for a while, he makes the saves any average Premiership keeper could make but has failed to pull anything exemplary out of the bag for a while.
 
Crumpet:3579018 said:
But is he though? He made a world class save against Norwich (even if the player was offside) but more often than not I feel like he hasn't been above and beyond the call of duty for a while, he makes the saves any average Premiership keeper could make but has failed to pull anything exemplary out of the bag for a while.
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Or is he that good that he makes them look easy? Much like we made opposition keepers look good last season!
 
i have a theory; getting in young 'understudy' keepers is not the right path. because the understudy (Doni for us) doesn't get enough chances and either becomes stunted by this or restless. and so the understudy route is actually more harmful than effective.

evidence; if you look at most clubs with decent keepers they buy their keepers young then throw them straight in the first time when the last fella was getting too old/mistake prone -with very little overlap. like we did. like chelsea did (Cech), like City did (Hart). there is maybe a season, maximum, of crossover then BOOM their in.

argument; to prove my theory wrong/right we can look at Utd and Spurs this season, both are undertaking separate trials. Utd have got two young keepers and are rotating them regularly and Spurs have got an old boy keeping (pun) out a world class young lad.

conclusion; lets see how spurs experiment goes, because its in line with the 'understudy' method, but i have a feeling that lloris will be getting pissed off -which could affect his performance- the longer friedel keeps him out.


P.S. this is just my theory
 
I think Pepe knows he's been below par- I don't think he's being complacent so I doubt that competition is going to improve him. His dip in form has roughly coincided with the general decline so I think we need to see if we can build on our recent form and if he improves with it.
If anyone knows of a better keeper whom we could afford and wants to come to us then yes, go for him. I doubt that it'll be a very long list.
 
Hau5fly said:
i have a theory; getting in young 'understudy' keepers is not the right path. because the understudy (Doni for us) doesn't get enough chances and either becomes stunted by this or restless. and so the understudy route is actually more harmful than effective.

evidence; if you look at most clubs with decent keepers they buy their keepers young then throw them straight in the first time when the last fella was getting too old/mistake prone -with very little overlap. like we did. like chelsea did (Cech), like City did (Hart). there is maybe a season, maximum, of crossover then BOOM their in.

argument; to prove my theory wrong/right we can look at Utd and Spurs this season, both are undertaking separate trials. Utd have got two young keepers and are rotating them regularly and Spurs have got an old boy keeping (pun) out a world class young lad.

conclusion; lets see how spurs experiment goes, because its in line with the 'understudy' method, but i have a feeling that lloris will be getting pissed off -which could affect his performance- the longer friedel keeps him out.


P.S. this is just my theory
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That is not a feeling, that is the lad telling all and sundry that he is indeed 'pissed off' <ok>
 
Not quite the same situation but City had a nice goalkeeping situation not so long ago when they had Joe Hart playing second fiddle to Shay Given. Shay was hot property(Turned down Arsenal when they were crying out for a keeper) at that point and yet Hart managed to dislodge him and make the No1 jersey.

I would like us to have the same dilemma. Reina hasnt been performing to his previous best and a talented keeper(Butland) as backup would raise his game no doubt.Even United after paying 20Mil for De Gea have a very good alternative in Lindegaard.
 
Suarez_Left_ Peg said:
Not quite the same situation but City has a nice goalkeeping situation not too long ago when they had Hart playing second fiddle to Given. Shay given was hot property at that point and yet Hart managed to dislodge him and keep his spot. Reina hasnt been performing and a talented keeper as backup would raise his game no doubt.
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Thats a Given!

(so so sorry i had to do it)
 
Hau5fly said:
@ gerrez

haha yes i suppose i cant claim that one, but what do you think to my idea in general?
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I think what you have said is part of the problem. Keepers know that their area of the field is different to others. Managers rarely swap and change in this position and there is usually a standout number one. We have tried it before (we once had Kirkland, Carson and Westerveld and the books at once, same with Reina, Dudek and Martin I believe?) but we always end up having a number one as do most clubs. I think a stronger number two wouldn't hurt, competition for Johnson's place has worked a treat <ok>

Having said that, Reina's reaction at conceding the first against Norwich told me as much as I needed to know. Conceding that goal really pissed him off and he didn't try to blame anyone. This tells me he knows he isn't playing well and he is trying to rectify it in training <ok>
 
Suarez_Left_ Peg said:
Not quite the same situation but City had a nice goalkeeping situation not so long ago when they had Joe Hart playing second fiddle to Shay Given. Shay was hot property(Turned down Arsenal when they were crying out for a keeper) at that point and yet Hart managed to dislodge him and make the No1 jersey.

I would like us to have the same dilemma. Reina hasnt been performing to his previous best and a talented keeper(Butland) as backup would raise his game no doubt.Even United after paying 20Mil for De Gea have a very good alternative in Lindegaard.
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Hau5fly said:
Thats a Given!

(so so sorry i had to do it)
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Hart also played second fiddle to Kasper Schmeichel whilst Sven was in charge <whistle>
 
Personally I think Reina is the best in the Prem.

He does seem to have made a few errors but I would still have him over any other keeper in the PL.
 
KingHotspur said:
Personally I think Reina is the best in the Prem.

He does seem to have made a few errors but I would still have him over any other keeper in the PL.
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<yikes>

Joe Hart is the best in the Prem. Reina has been below his best for a few years now. IMO Spurs have two keepers better than Reina right now.
 
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