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remembercolinlee

remembercolinlee

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This is not a laugh at the gooners thread or a we are better than them thread...I am just interested in the media.

Arsenal were unbeaten until the weekend. The media claim that they were defensively sound and emerging as title contenders. Now personally I think Arsenal are top 4 material as per normal but I am interested in the press reaction to them. Last season they started talking about us as being title contenders and my personal opinion was that it was obvious we weren't but it gave ammunition to then shoot us down. I think this is what they are doing to arsenal.

They drew with Stoke then with Sunderland. They then beat a very poor liverpool team and battered southampton and drew with city. They also won in the CL and in the league cup.

Suddenly the media present it as another false dawn for Arsenal.

My view is this:

Stoke and Sunderland both won this weekend ... their first win in 11 matches so nil nil draws weren't great results. Liverpool were very poor. The Arsenal defence was not put under any great pressure in those matches. Arsenal played very well v Southampton and city (where they deserved to win). They played well against chelsea but were beaten by a team playing extremely well.

Arsenal were not prem champions material (imo) but are undoubtedly better than last season.

This only irritates me as the press do this regularly and it is only a matter of time before they turn their sights on us...again!
 
Personally I always find with Arsenal it's one extreme to the other.

When Arsenal are doing well they get all the plaudits with every journalist to a man claiming what wonderful football they play and how great they are, however when Arsenal are struggling (i.e the last 7 years) they get the most abhorrent press. I've never seen such an overreaction to the 8-2 defeat last season, and journalists going out on a limb even trying to force the hand of the board to sack Wenger/get him to resign.

The media generally speaking like Spurs but hate AVB, you'll get bad press this year purely because the media want you to fail. In this country they've always been up Man U's asses, Liverpool to a lesser extent. Newcastle, West Ham and Everton are also media favourites.

Chelsea and City get terrible press as do Arsenal at times, Midlands clubs get no press at all
 
I cannot wait for Arsenal to begin their annual bottle-job, as I'm already missing the Gooners tearing one another apart.

Plus, PESKIE hasn't banned one of his own for quite a while, now.
 
District Line said:
Personally I always find with Arsenal it's one extreme to the other.

When Arsenal are doing well they get all the plaudits with every journalist to a man claiming what wonderful football they play and how great they are, however when Arsenal are struggling (i.e the last 7 years) they get the most abhorrent press. I've never seen such an overreaction to the 8-2 defeat last season, and journalists going out on a limb even trying to force the hand of the board to sack Wenger/get him to resign.

The media generally speaking like Spurs but hate AVB, you'll get bad press this year purely because the media want you to fail. In this country they've always been up Man U's asses, Liverpool to a lesser extent. Newcastle, West Ham and Everton are also media favourites.

Chelsea and City get terrible press as do Arsenal at times, Midlands clubs get no press at all
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Chelsea get terrible press? :S

Also we were benefitting from the media liking 'Arry, as Spurcat reminded me the otherday, many journalists were banned from Spurs conferences before 'Arry showed up because Levy didn't like all the negativity and BS they filled up our conferences and their pages with.
 
Yid Vicious said:
Chelsea get terrible press? :S

Also we were benefitting from the media liking 'Arry, as Spurcat reminded me the otherday, many journalists were banned from Spurs conferences before 'Arry showed up because Levy didn't like all the negativity and BS they filled up our conferences and their pages with.
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Yep. Every single journalist in the Mirror and Daily Mail (bar Martin Samuel - West Ham) hates us.

Just type in any one of Patrick Collins (Charlton), Neil Ashton (Palace) , Ian Ridley (Fulham) or John Cross (Arsenal) or your very own Martin Lipton (Spurs) or even Brian Reade (Liverpool) and we get it from pretty much all corners.

Hansen even went as far as to say on MOTD Chelsea had no chance of even contending for the title.
 
District Line said:
Hansen even went as far as to say on MOTD Chelsea had no chance of even contending for the title.
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So did you :p

The only football articles I read are on Spurs from NewsNow but you get good coverage on ITV and Sky Sports but then again me and you disagree about whether Townsend is pro-Chelsea so again I guess I just watch a different TV to you :D
 
Yid Vicious said:
So did you :p

The only football articles I read are on Spurs from NewsNow but you get good coverage on ITV and Sky Sports but then again me and you disagree about whether Townsend is pro-Chelsea so again I guess I just watch a different TV to you :D
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But we can say that as fans. Just as you could have said you have no chance of ever seeing Spurs win at OT again in your lifetime, you'd expect Hansen (who is subsidised by the taxpayer) to have a little more respect for Chelsea FC. It was not so long ago we were 1st or 2nd every year.
 
I haven't seen Arsenal as title material all season, and still don't.

for me it's always been about the 'new big 3' (although I still think that overall Arsenal and Pool are bigger than City and Chelsea, but ATM, along with Utd, the billionaire clubs rule the Prem).

I expect Arsenal to finish 4th, but might start thinking again if we beat Villa on sunday. That's going to be the end of a very intense period of games for us. If we can get a draw in Greece and win v Villa, I'll start seriously thinking we can get top 4.
After the international break we should have Ade and Naughton back, maybe Parker, that will be a great help.
 
District Line said:
Personally I always find with Arsenal it's one extreme to the other.
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Surely extremism is the norm with so-called sports "journalists" about any team though. They draw ridiculous conclusions based on very little evidence and then when a result goes against their own conclusion it's followed by a "what went wrong?" headline. Fact is that the conclusion was overdone in the first place, perhaps based on wrong analysis of a result*, but it allows for an equally sensational headline. Nobody holds them to account for the rubbish they write, yet they can change opinions whenever they want and still claim to know what they're talking about.

* After all, since when does the "correct" result happen purely on balance of play. Many teams win or lose when they don't deserve to. Lazy journalists often go with the final result as if there is some mystical force ensuring the right team wins which it clearly doesn't. Yet a team only has to get a few lucky wins and suddenly it's concluded they're the next best thing because they keep winning even if they're just being lucky.
 
Shame this is'nt a laugh at Arsenal thread,can we make it a laugh at Giroud thread then?,as RVP's replacement,he's terrible,and Plodolski is'nt much better.
 
Ghoddle10 said:
I haven't seen Arsenal as title material all season, and still don't.

for me it's always been about the 'new big 3' (although I still think that overall Arsenal and Pool are bigger than City and Chelsea, but ATM, along with Utd, the billionaire clubs rule the Prem).
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Agreed.

In the same way that we've got the gutter press trying to stir **** about AVB and his relationship with the team, Arsenal have also had the same thing with the departure of RVP. - you wait, Giroud won't have much time before the press and opposing fans are on the his back. (if they aren't already?!)

It's just all totally ridiculous IMO. we're 6 games into a season and there's many factors to consider at this stage.

Sad as you might think it is, I've actually started taking screenshots of **** comments made way too early. One of my mates has already made 2 hideous comments about AVB that have already backfired. At this rate, he alone will have his own montage of WUM comments presented to him in May.

But going back to Arsenal, They are going to be right up there again, probably competing with us Everton and Newcastle. I think Arsenal are stronger this season. Podolski and Cazorla look like money well spent. I'm also sure that Giroud will find his form very soon. (Let's face it, if Gervinho can do it... anyone can!!)

unfortunately the press will never go away.
 
I'm with DL on this. 2 good games and they have title aspirations. 1 or 2 (possibly) unlucky defeats and they are cast as no-hopers for CL and Wenger should be sacked.
We get the same treatment. AVB loses away against last years 5th but otherwise stays unbeaten (inc Man Utd away) and has us sitting nicely in 5th yet he's "under pressure". Do me a favour.
 
Good comments from Roo and Spurm. Journo's are there to sell their paper, talk of title contenders on a game by game basis in Sept/Oct is.....I'm actually struggling to find words to describe it! I'll just give it a <doh>.
 
I've already posted on another thread that I expect Arsenal to get back to winning ways soon. A bit the same as us at the start with loss of top players so a little time to adjust like us was needed which is why they had to two draws. I think that they might do better than City and Chelsea overall this season but the press are always going to place the top teams under the microscope.
 
Certain sections of the press (mentioning no names AHEM Daily Mail) print their own knee jerk reactions to everything and then claim it represents the views of average people. They'll do this for news or sport, because it sells papers and then allows them to bring in some 'expert' on the subject to present a 'balanced and insightful piece of journalism' (and I use that word in the loosest possible sense) that not only makes the paper seem like the voice of reason but panders to the vastly over-inflated egos of these 'experts'. And it works, clearly, because these papers are still in business.

Case in point - for days last week the Mail was going ON AND ON about dressing room problems at Spurs, unsettled players, and ineffective management. One or two players speak out refuting the rumors, AVB denies the journo's attempts to get some tasty quotes out of him at a press conference, and then we win at OT and suddenly we're seeing articles about how rosy everything is at Spurs and how we'll gain success this year with AVB at the helm. The reality is, as nearly all the posters on here accept, that before the game at OT we were not going to get relegated and now we're not automatically going to win the league. The trouble is that it's always the idiotic minority who seem to make the most noise, and for some reason they seem to be in charge of large sections of the press right now.

Rant over.
 
when discussing the press i'm always reminded of the phrase "you can't win an argument with an idiot". The premise is that the idiot is too stupid to know when they are wrong, this is how i see the press.
 
Spurm said:
when discussing the press i'm always reminded of the phrase "you can't win an argument with an idiot". The premise is that the idiot is too stupid to know when they are wrong, this is how i see the press.
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Thank God you told us the premise, otherwise I'd have never known what that meant. <whistle>
 
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