Astonished!!!!!

[robbieBB]

I don't understand the panic set in with Norwich fans at the moment. Personally I think we've probably started this season brilliantly when you look at our performances. Grant Holt has always taken a while to start, and although he didn't play well against West Ham was pretty good against Spurs where he set up a goal. It's the whole not having faith in Hughton because he isn't Paul Lambert. I think we are actually playing better football and Hughton has made better signings than Lambert....

^This

We have more quality in our team than last season, plus better organisation and greater depth on the bench. We are only 4 games into the season FFS. Thank God us fans don't run the club. Those who are nervy and moaning should go get some tranquillisers and stop being so bloody pessimistic and miserable.

 

[canary-dave]

Got her home on Sunday, she's in remarkable shape thanks, supposed to be confined to bed for a few more days! Will know if there's any lasting issues after the first check up, (Friday this week)!!
I've got someone in to look after her so I'm back at work.

Fingers and everything else crossed for a positive prognosis on Friday ILD, and give her a big hug from all her family at not606!

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

it wouldn't be norwich without a good measure of 'panic' from certain sections of the fan base.

can't understand it myself...

i think we're doing fine so far and have a nice, stable base to build upon

 

[Beefforhire-NCFC]

You can see the building blocks of a solid team here, one that's strong at the back AND confident going forward (pretty much unique in Norwich history) but as super says, there will always be angst and paranoia amongst certain segments of support. People deal with football in different ways.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

You can see the building blocks of a solid team here, one that's strong at the back AND confident going forward (pretty much unique in Norwich history) but as super says, there will always be angst and paranoia amongst certain segments of support. People deal with football in different ways.

i think there is still a very large element who need to get over the fact that lambert isn't here anymore. that might take some time for a few but its important because hughton is NOT lambert - they are totally different characters and although there are the odd similarity in style on the pitch, the general make up of them differs immensely. what i've found startling is hearing one or two say hughton is negative in his tactics! what games are they watching?!?! ignore the fulham match - that was a freak result - the past three games have seen us go out and attack, play decent football (west ham 2nd half aside - we got dragged down to their level) and create chances whilst looking solid at the back in each game.

lambert has gone - get over it!

 

[canary_max]

i think there is still a very large element who need to get over the fact that lambert isn't here anymore. that might take some time for a few but its important because hughton is NOT lambert - they are totally different characters and although there are the odd similarity in style on the pitch, the general make up of them differs immensely. what i've found startling is hearing one or two say hughton is negative in his tactics! what games are they watching?!?! ignore the fulham match - that was a freak result - the past three games have seen us go out and attack, play decent football (west ham 2nd half aside - we got dragged down to their level) and create chances whilst looking solid at the back in each game.

lambert has gone - get over it!

^this let's see how we are doing after 10-12 games

 

[1950canary]

In defence of the moaners in the ground - at least they have paid their money unlike those on canarycall etc who probably don't even know where Carrow Road is!! The word panic is wrong. A fairly large percentage of us felt that City might struggle this year and amongst those there are some, including me, who think we will be playing Championship football next year. That is no reflection on CH who, in my opinion, was the best choice to replace Lambert who I am convinced left because he realised he had taken us further than he could ever have imagined and wanted out before the inevitable slide began. 3 points from 4 games, including home games against QPR and West Ham, could be considered as a solid base for the future or considered a failure to get more points from winable games. The next 4 games could be considered an opportunity to get unexpected points or an opportunity to get a couple of nasty results against us. 3 points from 4 games and just outside the bottom 3 - is it a worry or a slowish start? 3 points from 8 games - keep the faith or prepare for the worst? One persons pessimist is another persons realist.

 

[robbieBB]

If I hear that Holt is a slow starter again, I'll effin scream. He is supposed to been trained and up to speed from game 1. I'll tell my directors that I won't be doing much from 7.30 until 9 as I'm a slow starter! They will have evry sympathy and so will our customers.

There's not one player in any league in the world who is fully "trained and up to speed from game 1". It is usually well into October before most PL teams have really got going and their players firing on all cylinders. There are many reasons for that.

I don't know when the UK was renamed Utopia redruth, but Utopia is the only place I've ever heard of where what "should" be the case always is the case! In the world that I experience I've had countless workmates whose pre-9 am productivity was dire; equally in the case of others, they could have gone home at 3 pm for all they contributed. Shouldn't be like that, but is.

As for Holt not preparing properly, people who accuse him of that are talking out of the top of their heads. It is an unjustified slur based on nothing more than subjective assessments of the WHU game in particular. To me it all smacks of the worst kind of unthinking punditry and parroting of cliched opinions. I believe Holty when he tweeted that he was spending his well-earned two weeks holiday in Cumbria making his calves ache with the running. No doubt all his critics think he spent it in a hammock being served pints and pies.

 

[JM Fan]

what i've found startling is hearing one or two say hughton is negative in his tactics! what games are they watching?!?! ignore the fulham match - that was a freak result - the past three games have seen us go out and attack, play decent football (west ham 2nd half aside - we got dragged down to their level) and create chances whilst looking solid at the back in each game.

lambert has gone - get over it!

OK, Hughton's tactics may may not be to everyone's liking, but our defensive frailities had to be addressed first and foremost - which is exactly what he's done. How long was it before we got our first 'clean sheet' last season - Chelsea at home, which I think was our 21st game!!!! I'd like to see us attacking more, but we need E Bennett/Pilks/Butterfield to be fit to give us some width (I'd like to see us sometimes leave out one of the 3 ex Leeds midfield and play with 2 wingers - maybe bring Hoolahoops on for the last 15-20 mins). Any points we get from the next 4 games will be considered a bonus I feel - and that's not being a pessimist, rather just being realistic!!

 

[robbieBB]

In defence of the moaners in the ground - at least they have paid their money unlike those on canarycall etc who probably don't even know where Carrow Road is!! The word panic is wrong. A fairly large percentage of us felt that City might struggle this year and amongst those there are some, including me, who think we will be playing Championship football next year. That is no reflection on CH who, in my opinion, was the best choice to replace Lambert who I am convinced left because he realised he had taken us further than he could ever have imagined and wanted out before the inevitable slide began. 3 points from 4 games, including home games against QPR and West Ham, could be considered as a solid base for the future or considered a failure to get more points from winable games. The next 4 games could be considered an opportunity to get unexpected points or an opportunity to get a couple of nasty results against us. 3 points from 4 games and just outside the bottom 3 - is it a worry or a slowish start? 3 points from 8 games - keep the faith or prepare for the worst? One persons pessimist is another persons realist.

Your "defence" of the moaners 1950 ignores the crucial question of the extent to which what people "feel" is or isn't based on sound reasons. Does the feeling that we will be relegated take into account the fact that (1) we have considerably more quality in the team than we did last year, (2) we have considerably more strength in depth than last year, (3) that we are far less vulnerable defensively than last year, (4) that Hughton brings considerably more experience to the task than Lambert (who himself admitted to having to learn on the job), and so on? Put another way, how objective are the moaners actually being. Likewise, to say that one man's pessimism is another's realism is simply a remark about the emotional make up of the pessimist and the "realist" and says nothing about the situation they are reacting to. To be a true realist requires that you base your assessment on facts and reason, not fears and imagination.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

i think everyone, or at least the vast majority of people on here expected us to struggle more than last season. to improve on last year we'd almost certainly have to finish in the top half! not impossible of course but pretty unlikely. a relegation battle was to be expected and even if we stay up this season it will be the same next season and probably the year after that. i don't know what some people expect - did they think we'd qualify for europe or something? thankfully there aren't many people who think like that on here - most are grounded and knowledgeable about what is realistic for our club this season and in the future. what do we want to see this year? main priority, above all else is to finish 17th or better. how that is achieved is less important than actually achieving it. i personally feel we have a better squad than last year, better strength in depth, i think we are better organised too but i think last season was a much weaker division, hence why i think we'll be lower. i suppose in some ways that's pessimism but i'm very optimistic in reality as i fully believe we will be safe again this year. its disappointing though that some people appear to be whinging after four games in which bar one freak game, we've been the better team in all of them.

 

[Home on the range canary]

i think everyone, or at least the vast majority of people on here expected us to struggle more than last season. to improve on last year we'd almost certainly have to finish in the top half! not impossible of course but pretty unlikely. a relegation battle was to be expected and even if we stay up this season it will be the same next season and probably the year after that. i don't know what some people expect - did they think we'd qualify for europe or something? thankfully there aren't many people who think like that on here - most are grounded and knowledgeable about what is realistic for our club this season and in the future. what do we want to see this year? main priority, above all else is to finish 17th or better. how that is achieved is less important than actually achieving it. i personally feel we have a better squad than last year, better strength in depth, i think we are better organised too but i think last season was a much weaker division, hence why i think we'll be lower. i suppose in some ways that's pessimism but i'm very optimistic in reality as i fully believe we will be safe again this year. its disappointing though that some people appear to be whinging after four games in which bar one freak game, we've been the better team in all of them.[/QUOTE]


maybe this is the reason that people are becoming bothered, we've been the better team and not won, we should have more points on the board, especially against teams like QPR and West Ham who are likley to be bottom half sides. I remember walking over to Unthank road after the QPR game last year and it felt like a massive victory, people were on a high and it hasn't happened yet. I'm not saying we should be worried, just trying to think why

 

[1950canary]

Your "defence" of the moaners 1950 ignores the crucial question of the extent to which what people "feel" is or isn't based on sound reasons. Does the feeling that we will be relegated take into account the fact that (1) we have considerably more quality in the team than we did last year, (2) we have considerably more strength in depth than last year, (3) that we are far less vulnerable defensively than last year, (4) that Hughton brings considerably more experience to the task than Lambert (who himself admitted to having to learn on the job), and so on? Put another way, how objective are the moaners actually being. Likewise, to say that one man's pessimism is another's realism is simply a remark about the emotional make up of the pessimist and the "realist" and says nothing about the situation they are reacting to. To be a true realist requires that you base your assessment on facts and reason, not fears and imagination.

I won't go into a great deal of detail but a lot of what you quote as facts are personal opinions. The facts are simple. We have 3 points from 4 games and are just outside the bottom 3. If you can't win home games against QPR and West Ham then you are going to struggle to beat many of the better sides and over the course of the season you have to win the eqivalent of 14 games to stay up. Realistically we are not going to pick up many points out of the next 4 games and we will probably be in the bottom 3 after 8 games. If you are looking for opinions rather than facts then in my opinion the Premiership is stronger than last year which is the main reason I think we will struggle and I think that other teams have worked out how to deal with Holt and unless Harry Kane steps up to the mark I cannot see where the goals are going to come from.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

maybe this is the reason that people are becoming bothered, we've been the better team and not won, we should have more points on the board, especially against teams like QPR and West Ham who are likley to be bottom half sides. I remember walking over to Unthank road after the QPR game last year and it felt like a massive victory, people were on a high and it hasn't happened yet. I'm not saying we should be worried, just trying to think why

this is my problem - what do people expect? did you expect to beat qpr and west ham? i certainly hoped to beat them both and was disappointed we didn't pick up more points but if the team don't win despite playing well and creating chances, and don't get the rub of the green, as has been the case so far, there's not a great deal that can be done about that! no doubt we'll win games where we've not played well - that's football. but its this expectation thing again. some of our fans roll up to carrow road expecting three points and then moan when they don't get what they expected. i know some west ham fans who went to the game on saturday expecting to win - they left annoyed that they'd been outplayed but relieved they weren't beaten. their expectations were unrealistic, expecting to turn us over. they told me before the game they saw this as their easiest away match this season. we are viewed as easy pickings by many teams so what right do we have to turn up and beat them?

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

I won't go into a great deal of detail but a lot of what you quote as facts are personal opinions. The facts are simple. We have 3 points from 4 games and are just outside the bottom 3. If you can't win home games against QPR and West Ham then you are going to struggle to beat many of the better sides and over the course of the season you have to win the eqivalent of 14 games to stay up. Realistically we are not going to pick up many points out of the next 4 games and we will probably be in the bottom 3 after 8 games. If you are looking for opinions rather than facts then in my opinion the Premiership is stronger than last year which is the main reason I think we will struggle and I think that other teams have worked out how to deal with Holt and unless Harry Kane steps up to the mark I cannot see where the goals are going to come from.

we drew at home to stoke and lost at home to west brom last season during the opening four games - didn't seem to do us any harm and i'd argue we are looking a more solid team than back then. i'm totally fed up with the doom and gloom mongers... we're in the premier league for crying out loud! its not bloody easy for a club like ours.

 

[Home on the range canary]

I wasn't trying to say it was about expectations, more that in three games we were the better side, created chances and didn't win, which has nothign to do with expectations, it's just more a case of how the feck did we not win and that can very raipdly instil a sense of fatalism., IN terms of expectations I guess the two recent home games are the sort of games where people have the highest expectations of a victory, so is just disappoinment? Number of chances created and number taken- large disparity.

In terms of my expectations; I expect to beat every team we play, but it depends on how you define "expect", I expect when we play Man City to be the worse team, I expect that Man city will create more chances, but somewhere deep down , I expect us to get the rub of the green and win ( Iknow this is not realisitc) . I c ertainly don't think we have a right to win any match

 

[redruthyella]

Got her home on Sunday, she's in remarkable shape thanks, supposed to be confined to bed for a few more days! Will know if there's any lasting issues after the first check up, (Friday this week)!!
I've got someone in to look after her so I'm back at work.

Give her our best wishes and tell her we would have won if she had been there Saturday.

 

[ilovedelia]

Fingers and everything else crossed for a positive prognosis on Friday ILD, and give her a big hug from all her family at not606!

Thanks Dave, that's kind of you.

 

[redruthyella]

There's not one player in any league in the world who is fully "trained and up to speed from game 1". It is usually well into October before most PL teams have really got going and their players firing on all cylinders. There are many reasons for that.

I don't know when the UK was renamed Utopia redruth, but Utopia is the only place I've ever heard of where what "should" be the case always is the case! In the world that I experience I've had countless workmates whose pre-9 am productivity was dire; equally in the case of others, they could have gone home at 3 pm for all they contributed. Shouldn't be like that, but is.

As for Holt not preparing properly, people who accuse him of that are talking out of the top of their heads. It is an unjustified slur based on nothing more than subjective assessments of the WHU game in particular. To me it all smacks of the worst kind of unthinking punditry and parroting of cliched opinions. I believe Holty when he tweeted that he was spending his well-earned two weeks holiday in Cumbria making his calves ache with the running. No doubt all his critics think he spent it in a hammock being served pints and pies.

Give me strength. How can you say what you have. So if JR had played crap in the first 4 games and fumbled crosses, missed easy saves and we'd lost because of his ineptitude, that would be expected?
This Grant Holt can do no wrong and we owe him so much is now a well worn record. And just because people make observations about it isn't moaning. Its their assessment of any given moment or particular game. People aren't panicking and theres no need for people to take issue with them. Its their feelings and their assessment. And they are just as right as anyone else.
We have been the better team over 90 minutes than our opponents in our last 3 games in the league. But we have missed chances. And that is a concern. What might happen if we aren't the better team overall?
Lets stop the derisory comments about other peoples feelings about players or tactics. Disagree by all means but just because in my opinion Grant Holt has had a poor start to the season, then I'm not having a go or rubbishing him as a person or calling for his head. I'm suggesting he should take his turn on the bench.
But there again, CH is the man in charge thank goodness and not us.

 

[ilovedelia]

it wouldn't be norwich without a good measure of 'panic' from certain sections of the fan base.

can't understand it myself...

i think we're doing fine so far and have a nice, stable base to build upon

Exactly this, we all knew we needed to sort the defence out, another 66 goals against this season would no doubt have meant us being one of the bottom 3. The defence is as good as it's looked for many years, midfield is getting there, but the strikers need the ball into their prefered areas and that is not happening at the moment, but, I'm sure it will, Holty WILL come good given the right service. Chris Hughton has and is addressing the problem areas from last season and has done it in 4 games, thats pretty phenomenal, so give him and the rest of the team a break!!
Personally I don't give a **** what time we kick off, if I can't get to the game then I listen to the radio and still support my team that way. I'm loving supporting my team in the Premiership, long may that continue!!!!!!!!
Too the man who made that comment, give up your ticket, go and watch championship matches, the 3 O'clock kickoff is obviously more important to you than your clubs success!!