Fiddling With Kids or Fiddling The Books - Which Is Worse ?
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In what way?
A points deduction maybe ? Or how about a transfer embargo, forget if it's legal or not.
Or better still, let's strip their titles.
Would that satisfy your lust over the 66 that were killed?
How about them apes that have big arses, eh?
Bonobos and baboons and the like.
I love a big swollen simian arse even more than I love Dougie's threads about keeching.
Bonobos and baboons and the like.
I love a big swollen simian arse even more than I love Dougie's threads about keeching.
you're getting carried away auld fella - Tina is just pulling your wang
I wish you would let her speak for herself.
I don't think either *****philia or dozens of people dying are particularly funny - although they are morally quite different, one was the intentional actions of a sick human while the other was an unintentional accident.
I don't think the whole of the Celtic fan base are responsible for once having a sick person as manager of the affiliate Celtic boys club - despite all your best efforts as well Rocket (I've managed to see begging other huns for proof on Follow Follow) you've got no evidence that anyone at Celtic FC was aware of what was happening at the boys club.
It's a cheap and low brow attack on Celtic because you have absolutely nothing else left to hit us with.
I don't think the whole of the Celtic fan base are responsible for once having a sick person as manager of the affiliate Celtic boys club - despite all your best efforts as well Rocket (I've managed to see begging other huns for proof on Follow Follow) you've got no evidence that anyone at Celtic FC was aware of what was happening at the boys club.
It's a cheap and low brow attack on Celtic because you have absolutely nothing else left to hit us with.
To start with I've never begged anyone for anything in my entire life.
And there's a huge amount of evidence that Senior people within Celtic knew what was going on and turned a blind eye - unless of course people like Alan Brazil and John McCluskey are liars along with Hugh Birt ?
The evidence is all there but you believe only what you want to believe because it's the stain no one wants - the ultimate stigma and it will never go away.
The only one at your club that comes out of this with any credit is Fergus McCann for calling in the Police - something that should have been done years earlier.
Hugh Birt got FIRED by Celtic as I mentioned earlier, so he had a grudge to bear and is therefore not a credible witness. If you had seen his testimony you would realise that, I take it you have read what he said?
I'll quote you Alan Brazil if you like. "No chance. Big Jock wouldn’t stand for any nonsense would he? "
What else have you got?
JOCK Stein and the Celtic board covered up allegations made against Boys' Club founder Jim Torbett, it was claimed yesterday.
Torbett, who is now accused of abusing three boys while he was at the club, was literally kicked out of Parkhead by Stein, a court heard. But, when the claims subsequently surfaced, Stein and the directors were anxious to keep the image of the club clean and nothing more was done.
The claim was made by former Boys' Club chairman Hugh Birt, 61, who told Glasgow Sheriff Court that, when he first heard the allegations, he didn't have enough evidence to go to the police.
Asked how he felt about giving evidence against Torbett, he replied: "It's a tremendous relief for me because I have been carrying it about for 25 years."
Birt said he was asked to become chairman when Torbett was "put out" of the Boys' Club.
Asked who got rid of him, Birt said: "According to Mr Stein, he literally put his foot up his backside and kicked him out. It was all covered up by Celtic Football Club as to why he was kicked out."
He admitted that he had had a good relationship with Torbett, who returned to the Boys' Club several years later as a fundraiser. Birt said: "There was a lot of hearsay going on and it wasn't until Jim came back that I got involved in it because things started up again."
He told how he took the allegations against Torbett to the Celtic board and Stein, and even told the then vice-chairman, Kevin Kelly, about them. He said: "I couldn't go to the police without actual proof of the allegations. When I joined as chairman, I was told by Jock Stein to keep the name of Celtic Football Club clean at all times."
He denied a suggestion from Alan Nicol, defending, that he was a "troublemaker" who'd been forced to leave the Boys' Club for spreading gossip about the sexuality of a referee.
Mr Kelly, 61, is a director of Torbett's firm, Trophy Centre.
He said that, during his time as Celtic vice- chairman, no-one made any allegations. He also denied ever meeting Birt to discuss claims against Torbett. Another Trophy Centre director, Gerald McAleer, 42, who played for the Boys' Club when Torbett was there, denied that his silence had been bought.
As a youngster, he had gone on trips with other boys to the cinema and restaurants with Torbett as well as going to his flat.
But he said he had never seen anything amiss. Most of the time he was in the flat, Torbett's mother - with whom he later stayed for a year - was there. He had a good relationship with Torbett then and was still friends with him now.
He was "absolutely positive" that he had never seen Torbett interfere with one of the alleged boy victims, James McGrory.
John Service, prosecuting, asked: "At any time, were you aware of any difficulties at the Boys' Club, of allegations being made against Mr Torbett back in the 70s?" McAleer, who was a prosecution witness, replied: "No, not at all."
He also denied that being Torbett's business partner and friend had influenced his evidence.Mr Nicol, cross examining, said: "The implication is your silence has been bought." McAleer replied: "You asked me to tell you the truth and I am telling you the truth."
He had never heard any rumours about allegations against Torbett until a newspaper story in 1996, which he described as "absolutely untrue and unfounded." McAleer said he was not gay and didn't know if Torbett was homosexual.
Torbett, 51, of Burnbrae Road, Auchinloch, Lenzie, near Glasgow, denies three charges of shameless indecency involving three boys between October, 1967 and March, 1974. The alleged offences against James McGrory, 44, David Gordon, 38 and former Scotland star Alan Brazil, 39, are said to have happened at Torbett's old flat in Sighthill, Glasgow. Torbett also denies further offences against Mr McGrory at two cinemas, two restaurants and a bowling alley.
The trial, before Sheriff Margaret Gimblett, continues on Monday.
Torbett, who is now accused of abusing three boys while he was at the club, was literally kicked out of Parkhead by Stein, a court heard. But, when the claims subsequently surfaced, Stein and the directors were anxious to keep the image of the club clean and nothing more was done.
The claim was made by former Boys' Club chairman Hugh Birt, 61, who told Glasgow Sheriff Court that, when he first heard the allegations, he didn't have enough evidence to go to the police.
Asked how he felt about giving evidence against Torbett, he replied: "It's a tremendous relief for me because I have been carrying it about for 25 years."
Birt said he was asked to become chairman when Torbett was "put out" of the Boys' Club.
Asked who got rid of him, Birt said: "According to Mr Stein, he literally put his foot up his backside and kicked him out. It was all covered up by Celtic Football Club as to why he was kicked out."
He admitted that he had had a good relationship with Torbett, who returned to the Boys' Club several years later as a fundraiser. Birt said: "There was a lot of hearsay going on and it wasn't until Jim came back that I got involved in it because things started up again."
He told how he took the allegations against Torbett to the Celtic board and Stein, and even told the then vice-chairman, Kevin Kelly, about them. He said: "I couldn't go to the police without actual proof of the allegations. When I joined as chairman, I was told by Jock Stein to keep the name of Celtic Football Club clean at all times."
He denied a suggestion from Alan Nicol, defending, that he was a "troublemaker" who'd been forced to leave the Boys' Club for spreading gossip about the sexuality of a referee.
Mr Kelly, 61, is a director of Torbett's firm, Trophy Centre.
He said that, during his time as Celtic vice- chairman, no-one made any allegations. He also denied ever meeting Birt to discuss claims against Torbett. Another Trophy Centre director, Gerald McAleer, 42, who played for the Boys' Club when Torbett was there, denied that his silence had been bought.
As a youngster, he had gone on trips with other boys to the cinema and restaurants with Torbett as well as going to his flat.
But he said he had never seen anything amiss. Most of the time he was in the flat, Torbett's mother - with whom he later stayed for a year - was there. He had a good relationship with Torbett then and was still friends with him now.
He was "absolutely positive" that he had never seen Torbett interfere with one of the alleged boy victims, James McGrory.
John Service, prosecuting, asked: "At any time, were you aware of any difficulties at the Boys' Club, of allegations being made against Mr Torbett back in the 70s?" McAleer, who was a prosecution witness, replied: "No, not at all."
He also denied that being Torbett's business partner and friend had influenced his evidence.Mr Nicol, cross examining, said: "The implication is your silence has been bought." McAleer replied: "You asked me to tell you the truth and I am telling you the truth."
He had never heard any rumours about allegations against Torbett until a newspaper story in 1996, which he described as "absolutely untrue and unfounded." McAleer said he was not gay and didn't know if Torbett was homosexual.
Torbett, 51, of Burnbrae Road, Auchinloch, Lenzie, near Glasgow, denies three charges of shameless indecency involving three boys between October, 1967 and March, 1974. The alleged offences against James McGrory, 44, David Gordon, 38 and former Scotland star Alan Brazil, 39, are said to have happened at Torbett's old flat in Sighthill, Glasgow. Torbett also denies further offences against Mr McGrory at two cinemas, two restaurants and a bowling alley.
The trial, before Sheriff Margaret Gimblett, continues on Monday.
I never at any time claimed that Brazil said Big Jock knew, but he did accuse Celtic Directors of being involved in the cover up.
And to suggest Birt only acted out of malice after being sacked is pathetic. Who are you to decide who's credible and who's not ?
It's widely accepted by most Knewco fans that Stein booted Torbett up the arse, some even brag about it as if to say " Aye, the Big Man showed him "
He kicked him out of the meeting and out of Celtic altogether because his worst suspicions about Torbett were confirmed.
Start with a blatant lie, that way the rest of your shameless pish won't seem so bad.
Go on, gimp.
Anything I've got I've worked for - it's the way I was brought up.
I don't do begging
Just as I thought - nothing of any substance to come back with.
Sums you up perfectly.