Joe Allen
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In the long term , we can't refuse deals like this . Deals like this , in the big picture , help enshrine a big future at Swansea .
Deals like this constrain us to be a club that currently plays in the Premier League rather than growing to become a Premier League.
Surely 15 million will help us grow the academy, then we will have a supply of Allens coming through. Its a no-brainer for me, as much as I rate Joe
I agree. We either take 15m or make him stay and lose him on a free transfer at the end of his contract. If players want to leave it's in the best interests of the club to sell before they become a free agent.
Regarding all the threads on Allen, Norway Jack seems to like starting new ones. Perhaps he'll start another one soon. Surely 4 threads isn't enough.
I feel really sorry for your wife. No-one deserves to have to put up with the likes of you.
I don't think it constrains us at all. In fact, quite the opposite; it gives us a big wad of cash that can help us grow if spent wisely.
Spot on casual. Some don't seem to understand the way things work at all. The trick is to buy better at a cheaper price. No way is Allen worth over £10M in my book and if Liverpool want to pay more, great we'll take it. We have a potentially great manager with an eye for talent on the cheap judging by the business we've done already.
The Club's approach is absolutely right by essentially saying 'We don't want to sell our best players; we don't have to sell anyone really but if the player wants a move then we want maximum dosh'. Spot on.
But I keep coming back to the player. If you want a player to stay who doesn't want to be with us then you are very foolish. Doesn't help us, the player or team morale. If some had their way we'd let all our players contracts run down and make them stay to the bitter end. No way to do business imo.
I also think Huw is doing a fantastic job of putting in these big payday clauses. 15m for Allen, 8m for Rodgers. It means that if any of our players leave we get a really good deal. In the past players seemed to be sold for below their real value. But now we seem to be getting very good deals. And we are great at finding good players at bargain prices. I'm pretty sure that ML has some good contacts and can bring in some more foreign players at bargain prices. Hopefully the money will help get the academy going and we'll have some home grown talent as well. Onwards and upwards. I still think we'll be top 8 this season.
Bare in mind the time taken to blend with your new team mates, it really isn't that easy. We have the dreaded second season approaching, we need our team to stay united and stay up.
Your assuming we'll do worse with Allen gone & with new money & players in .... If Allen wants to go , then what , hang on to him anyways ... I think not . Allen , Sig & Rodgers will have crap seasons & we'll have a wad of cash IMO !... stay tuned
I think we concluded several weeks ago after examining all the facts and statistics that second-season syndrome doesn't exist. Certainly no more than first-season syndrome when most promoted teams go back down.
That's not withstanding that you can relegated at any time.
Well, personally I think that if you get Shelvey on loan out of this, you will see a very good player this season. Most Liverpool fans were crying out for him to play by the end of last season (and he did) and would be pretty sore to see him leave on loan this year - he's the stand out player in preseason so far.
In terms of his attributes, he came to us from Charlton as an 'English midfielder' - box to box, all action. But now, he's a lot more rounded than that.
- He will get involved, he's got a very honest work-rate, he will track back and tackle.
- He has a pretty fearsome shot, he can get a lot of power behind the ball, Gerrard-esque but without Stevie's finesse.
- He seems very comfortable with Rodger's passing style early on. He always was a good ball-player over short and long range, but he seems to exert a lot of calm in the middle. He's been much better than Spearing or Charlie Adam so far.
- He is a danger from freekicks - on loan at Blackpool last season he scored a scorcher, and very nearly broke the net from 25 yards against Roma last night. On his loan at Blackpool, he did very, very well, scoring 6 goals in 10 games!
- The most impressive thing about him this pre-season is that his technique and close control have visibly improved. He's had a lot of lovely touches and pieces of skill in the box and was close to scoring several times.
- He's a big lad, and looks to have bulked out a bit this summer (strength wise). He'd certainly add height to your team in both boxes and a presence in the middle.
- I think he'd add to most teams in the league right now, obviously not your Chelsea or City, but he'd certainly play for all your rivals and most mid-table sides.
This is his real break-through season, and while he wasn't cheap when we signed him as a youngster, he's looking a bargain at the moment, real future ahead of him.
Here's Shelvey last night (sorry about the music). You want to skip to about 2 minutes in for the nice skill in the box.
[video=youtube;G-3CEw5g4nI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-3CEw5g4nI[/video]
And, here's him scoring in the league against Chelsea last season
[video=youtube;U-oqRXjP8Hs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-oqRXjP8Hs[/video]
I had the good fortune to speak with Mel Nurse at the Centenary Dinner last week. His opinion for what it's worth (expressed in my own words) is that new managers and new players, regardless of their best intent not to change, implicitly mean that changes happen on the field, style adjustments take place naturally, and he gave me some very valid examples not Swans related and the consequences thereof.
If we lose Allen, we will not be same team we were last season where we had tremendous consistency in who started the games. BR's departure and ML's arrival means that things have already changed on the field without player departures. These changes and resulting adjustments will take a toll - of course, it all may just click beautifully - but any specific change (Allen's absence is not an insignificant change, otherwise why would Liverpool be so keen to get him) requires an adjustment by the whole team, it's a ripple out effect. Allen is at the heart of our midfield engine, you might say is our midfield engine or at least 50% of it.
Clubs that play in the Premier League and are not Premier League clubs are, for example, Wigan. Wigan sells their best players on a fairly regular basis, they have infusions of cash on a fairly regular basis, they struggle to survive each season at the last gasp because the manager pulls some miracle out of his rear end. There's no good future in being one of these clubs, just a continuous courting of misery and the risk of a drop back into Cardiff land - and if you want to see players leave, then that will cause them to leave as a stampede. The only viable future is to become a Premier League club .... and that means we fight to retain players like Allen. If we lose the fight, yes we get cash, but cash didn't get us the 29 goals we lost with the exit of Scotland - it got us Pintardo, Beattie, Kuqi and very, very few goals ..... get the picture, it's ugly.
Money does not compensate for these changes.
NIRIR .... Shelvey ... if he's so bloody good why don't Liverpool play him. There's no profit in being an incubator for another Prem club unless the player is good enough to walk onto the field as a starter - Caulker is a good example, McEachran is a bad one.
We did play him, during the run in last season. And, as I said, most Liverpool fans will be sore to see him leave again.
He very well could be a starter or at least heavily involved at Swansea. That's not arrogance, it's my honest opinion. McEachran seems to be 50% hype from Chelsea fans who've never seen a youth team player before.
Geez .... NIRIR ... I just noticed your profile pic .... do you really have to rub our noses in it.
Nah, a permanent deal is unacceptable, he could end up at Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs in a year or two.
Oh, and BR is in my profile picture becuase he's the manager of my club, signifies a new era at Liverpool (hopefully), plays the style of football I enjoy... and he's from Northern Ireland, and more specifically from an area 30 mins or so from where I live. No offence intended.
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