BBC Formula 1's greatest drivers. Number 11: Alberto Ascari

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El_Bando

El_Bando

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Number 11 - Alberto Ascari
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18826717

Number 12 - Gilles Villeneuve
Number 13 - Nigel Mansell
Number 14 - Mika Hakkinen
Number 15 - Lewis Hamilton
Number 16 - Nelson Piquet
Number 17 - Emerson Fittipaldi
Number 18 - Jack Brabham
Number 19 – Graham Hill
Number 20 – Jochen Rindt

Still no word of:

Ayrton Senna
Alain Prost
Michael Schumacher
Jackie Stewart
Niki Lauda
Fernando Alonso
Jim Clark
John Surtees
Phil Hill
Juan Manuel Fangio
Sebastian Vettel
 
Always difficult to judge those early F1 years and how competitive drivers/machinery were.

He does have the honour of being the only driver to go into the Monaco harbour during an F1 race. Ironically he survived that unsacthed but was then killed shortly after at Monza in a 'normal' accident.
 
Can't see Phil Hill or John Surtees being in the top 10. Good drivers and Surtees has the acclaim for being a 2 & 4 wheel WDC, but in F1 terms they can;t be considered that high up?
 
ok there are 8 dead certs:

Ayrton Senna
Alain Prost
Michael Schumacher
Jackie Stewart
Niki Lauda
Fernando Alonso
Juan Manuel Fangio
Sebastian Vettel

but who are the other 2 who have somehow earned the Top 10 places?
 
El_Bando said:
ok there are 8 dead certs:

Ayrton Senna
Alain Prost
Michael Schumacher
Jackie Stewart
Niki Lauda
Fernando Alonso
Juan Manuel Fangio
Sebastian Vettel

but who are the other 2 who have somehow earned the Top 10 places?
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I'd put Jim Clark as a nailed on cert for the top 10
 
El_Bando said:
ok there are 8 dead certs:

Ayrton Senna
Alain Prost
Michael Schumacher
Jackie Stewart
Niki Lauda
Fernando Alonso
Juan Manuel Fangio
Sebastian Vettel

but who are the other 2 who have somehow earned the Top 10 places?
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As Miggins said, Jim Clark will be there. As for the other I really can't think who else it could be. Lots of 1xWDC's about Andretti, Scheckter, P Hill, D.Hill Surtees, Farini, Hawthorn, Raikkonen, but none of them I think are top 10. I have seen Stefan Bellof placed high in some charts, but again not top 10 IMHO


oh oh oh...... Stirling Moss!
 
I would say Stirling Moss too. But was he better than those below him? Even though Im not sure on Hamilton being better than Piquet and Fittipaldi (Im supprised them two are so low)
 
El_Bando said:
I would say Stirling Moss too. But was he better than those below him? Even though Im not sure on Hamilton being better than Piquet and Fittipaldi (Im supprised them two are so low)
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The rankings are all open to opinion. I think Brabham should be higher up and Hamilton and Vettel further down (for now anyway) as they are still not that far into their careers.

Moss is said by many to be the 'greatest driver never to win a WDC'. Whether that means he wasn't quite good enough is open for debate, but he was a gentlemen on the track and did give up a WDC to Fangio (think it was him, may have been someone else) which he could have rightly taken for himself.

I reckon he's our missing one!
 
allsaintchris said:
As Miggins said, Jim Clark will be there. As for the other I really can't think who else it could be. Lots of 1xWDC's about Andretti, Scheckter, P Hill, D.Hill Surtees, Farini, Hawthorn, Raikkonen, but none of them I think are top 10. I have seen Stefan Bellof placed high in some charts, but again not top 10 IMHO


oh oh oh...... Stirling Moss!
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Bellof could've been one of the all-time greats, monaco 84 he was catching Senna and Prost hand over fist, sadly he really was a 'death or glory' driver. I'd go for Moss being in the top ten, if Villeneuve is there, surely the 'greatest driver never to win a WDC' should be too, but it's all subjective.
 
El_Bando said:
I would like to see the individual lists of the BBC Personel. I wonder if they would do that?
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I'll do Bensons for you:
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
 
Miggins said:
I'll do Bensons for you:
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
Lewis Hamilton
L hamilton
Lewis H
LH
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your presuming Benson can count to 20 ;)
 
I don't think Benson loves Hamilton in a way that he thinks he's the best ever, I think he loves him as his generic time filling story. When Hamilton does bad Benson pretty much calls for his head. He does like to get "Lewis Hamilton 2008 world champion" into every story so if they ever did a top and bottom 20 list Hamilton would be in both ;)

Would be interested to see how varied all the lists are.
 
So Vettel in the top 10 then...I wonder if this list was compiled in the middle of Vettel's 2011 dominance, how else could you justify Vettel being a top 10 all-time great?
 
BrightLampShade said:
I don't think Benson loves Hamilton in a way that he thinks he's the best ever, I think he loves him as his generic time filling story. When Hamilton does bad Benson pretty much calls for his head. He does like to get "Lewis Hamilton 2008 world champion" into every story so if they ever did a top and bottom 20 list Hamilton would be in both ;)

Would be interested to see how varied all the lists are.
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He definitely does not 'love' him like some people on her make out, its just Benson knows that a story about Hamilton is likely to attract more attention than one about say Webber or Rosberg, if people think Benson is bias in favour of Lewis you should read some of his articles from the end of last season as he was one step away from calling lewis a mentally unstable person
 
Seb for number 1 in this poll then?

I won't troll if he did, but I won't read anymore BBC articles and go into hiding from the **** that will be thrown.

Also to go back to Forza's response about Vettel being only high in the poll during 2011.... Hmmm maybe! but would you place Lewis at number 15 with the season he had last year? I wouldn't of put him in the top 30 since for me that was a very bad season.

I think they look over the course of the individual's entire career and what results came from it.

I think I'm also correct in saying this isn't a standing result to say Seb is better than Lewis or Alonso better than Seb, just (The 20 greatest drivers of all time) there's no ranking in this, just 20 they picked from.
 
I have no problem with putting drivers who are currently racing in the list, it would be wrong to discard the likes of Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel from the process purely because their careers are still ongoing

People like to bash Vettel because he robbed us of an exciting championship battle last year but at the end of the day at his age he has achieved success that no other driver in the history of the sport can match

IMO he deserves a place in the top 10 alongside Alonso as they both became double world champions at a young age
 
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