Saints on the back page of The Sun tomorrow for all the wrong reasons

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lamballana said:
I agree up to a point Totton but how would you have got that size of bet on. Sporting and IG were the big spread firms at that time. I knew both their Trading chiefs and they have always said these stories are just rubbish. If they had any stong evoidence they would have just taken the market down.
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Totally agree with you,the big money they are talking about is crap,because the spread firms would limit the amount of money they would take on a market like this,especially if they suspected someone had was "in the know". And if someone had a history of betting on things like this,and being too successful,the account would be closed.
Try going into a betting shop,and putting a grand on a dog race. The cashier will **** himself,phone up head office,and take a £200 bet,and tell you they wont take the rest of the bet.
 
I once won a large amount of money on an over under 2.5 goals bet. Took 2 weeks, 8 phonecalls and countless emails before they released the money to me. they then banned me from their site. Bookies don't like losing big money and will do all they can to avoid paying out on a big bet on an obscure market. Like you I cannot see such a bet working more than once.
 
Wisescummer said:
I once won a large amount of money on an over under 2.5 goals bet. Took 2 weeks, 8 phonecalls and countless emails before they released the money to me. they then banned me from their site. Bookies don't like losing big money and will do all they can to avoid paying out on a big bet on an obscure market. Like you I cannot see such a bet working more than once.
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Exactly wise. Have had numerous accounts closed in the past because allegedly I won money or was linked with others who were privy to so called inside information. Bookies will do anything to avoid a pay-out.
 
Wisescummer said:
I think bookmakers are a bit more than facilitators. People who bet with a bookmaker are only betting very indirectly against each other. And everybody who bets knows the risk beforehand. Also the way the story is i'm not sure he is talking about spread betting. I got the impression he was talking about rigging the first throw in market, maybe even the markets on number of corners.
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To use a horse racing analogy, if I back Bated Breath to win the July Cup at Newmarket on Saturday, I know there is a risk of him not liking the ground, getting trapped behind horses, rearing up in the stalls and missing the break, or being beaten by a better horse on the day. If the horse gets beat for any of those reasons, I did indeed know the risk, and I accept my loss. What I don't factor in is the possibility of the jockey deliberately doing something that might cost his horse the race. If the horse gets beat for that reason, I'm the victim of a fraud.

I do wish Claus all the best though. Addiction is an illness, and I sincerely hope he recovers.
 
Archers,if you worry about horse racing not being straight every time i would pack up betting mate.
I used to own a lot of dogs that raced around the south,and i the times i would put my biggest bets on were where i knew something that only a handful of people knew,such as a dog was either going to run a lot better,or perhaps a lot worse than it had been running previously.
Nowadays i pretty much only bet on football results,because i have faith in English football being straight,whereas i would only bet on dogs and horses if i was privvy to some good info.
 
Archers Road said:
To use a horse racing analogy, if I back Bated Breath to win the July Cup at Newmarket on Saturday, I know there is a risk of him not liking the ground, getting trapped behind horses, rearing up in the stalls and missing the break, or being beaten by a better horse on the day. If the horse gets beat for any of those reasons, I did indeed know the risk, and I accept my loss. What I don't factor in is the possibility of the jockey deliberately doing something that might cost his horse the race. If the horse gets beat for that reason, I'm the victim of a fraud.

I do wish Claus all the best though. Addiction is an illness, and I sincerely hope he recovers.
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Arguably, given the amount of times this has happened, you probably should be doing it! At the end of the day betting is always a risk, and that is one that has to be considered. Obviously it undermines confidence in the sport (like insider trading undermines confidence in the stock market) so has to be stopped, or people will simply stop gambling on the sport. That in my opinion is the difference between a bent jockey and a footballer making a few quid from a first throw in bet. The jockey is effectively destroying the sport (because horse racing only exists as something to bet on), and he is fixing a fundamental thing that people bet on. The footballer is destroying confidence in a very minor betting market that is only tangentially connected to the sport. The other thing I look at is that some people do spend a long times studying things like form in racing and weighing up varying risk factors, before placing an educated bet. I simply do not believe that anybody spends more than a few seconds thinking about how to bet in a first throw in market, to me it's akin to picking red or black on a roulette wheel. It's for those reasons that I feel what the footballer does is less morally wrong than what the jockey does, and so is less deserving of censure.
 
Tottonsaint said:
Archers,if you worry about horse racing not being straight every time i would pack up betting mate.
I used to own a lot of dogs that raced around the south,and i the times i would put my biggest bets on were where i knew something that only a handful of people knew,such as a dog was either going to run a lot better,or perhaps a lot worse than it had been running previously.
Nowadays i pretty much only bet on football results,because i have faith in English football being straight,whereas i would only bet on dogs and horses if i was privvy to some good info.
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I only bet on the big meetings, Pattern races, heritage handicaps etc, where I'm confident that everything's trying. I used the analogy to make the point that I as a punter am being robbed when skullduggery is afoot, in any sport.
 
Archers Road said:
I only bet on the big meetings, Pattern races, heritage handicaps etc, where I'm confident that everything's trying. I used the analogy to make the point that I as a punter am being robbed when skullduggery is afoot, in any sport.
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Fair point,at the big meetings you can be pretty sure everything is "trying".
 
I'm not bothered about the English game not being straight or Southampton being a team of cheats or anything, because it isn't result fixing, it's trivial things like a throw in. What I am bothered about is more negative press coming our way, can't be great for our reputation.
 
Not much fuss about very little Dan. Doesn't seem to have been picked up by the wider press. Today's headline tomorrows chip paper. and it's in The Sun!
 
In which case it's tomorrows toilet paper. I expect my chips to be wraped in a better class of paper (The Times for instance).
 
lamballana said:
Not much fuss about very little Dan. Doesn't seem to have been picked up by the wider press. Today's headline tomorrows chip paper. and it's in The Sun!
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Hopefully. I know how widespread and overblown the Le Tiss story got, I'm just worried this will go the same way.
 
Dan‽;3117022 said:
Hopefully. I know how widespread and overblown the Le Tiss story got, I'm just worried this will go the same way.
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It's now in most off the online versions of the papers. Kinda obvious why Claus sold his story now, he gets a bigger wedge now we are in the Prem.

It pisses me off more that he didn't give a **** about how Saints would be seen through the people that read it. Then him actually doing the crap in the first place.
 
We knew this was going on years ago. It's not news. It's an old story rehashed. Shame it has resurfaced about Saints and Claus. Still, should sell a few more papers
 
This isn't News, it's history, move on. No one seems to be putting any blame on the Bookmakers, are they squeaky clean? I guess Claus has fallen on hard times and needed a few bob to top up. He was a good player and his partnership with Killer was outstanding, but that was a long time ago.
 
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