i hate Rangers for having a racist and sectarian following. That is the root of it. I could live on mars. I follow Celtic. Every time your team comes to play us, or every time I watch your team play I hear racist and sectarian chanting. What is going on in Scottish society is that this is not being addressed. Where I live, what I do or what you think of me has no bearing on this whatsoever No. Because that just isn't the case at all. I would be grateful if you could point me to where I gave that impression? I assume you are now going to point out where I said there was a "plot"? what is warped about my logic. instead of being against songs that are racist and sectarian, you are against songs that get your club into trouble. You, along with Smith and Bain haven't condemned racism and sectarianism at all. This is in spite of you acknowledging that there is a sectarian element to your support. Its a bullshit way out. Ok, in my opinion I do not think that racism and sectarianism should ever have been acceptable. Rebellious Scots to crush...... You give it that context and I will give it another. Songs about the right of National self determination and those who fought for it. Not offensive to most right thinking people, regardless of whichever team they support. I have taken the personal decision not to sing that song as it may engender a sectarian belief. In itself, the song is not sectarian. Primarily because orangeism is not a sect. It does not represent a single belief set. It is a sectarian organisation itself that has very strong historical links with your club. Like I say, I readily concede that it may engender a sectarian belief....but Orangeism is not a sect. 1) Rapid Vienna. I never discussed that with you ever 2)81 cup final I never ever discussed with you 3 Mark Walters incident I have willingly and regularly condemned 4) Ally Maxwell has never come up in discussion 5) Minutes silences, I never discussed that with you or anyone 6) Poppy banner. How is that a problem of crowd control? Thousands of people en masse singing racist and sectarian songs that are against the law every week. That is a pretty serious problem. Yes, I see it. Lobbying who exactly. This is a fans forum. don't see much of it here? You are doing **** all to combat racism and sectarianism. As far as I can see there isn't a movement within the Rangers support that is. Your "stop it in case we get in bother" approach is astounding. Condemn the racists. Condemn the bigots. How? I am going to ask you to put up or shut up on this one. Either prove it, or retract it.
I can't ignore your club having a large and vocal number of supporters being racist and sectarian Edge. I don't understand how someone seemingly intelligent can just ignore it.
Me being a Rangers fan, no I wouldn't have attended, but that's certainly looks like a bottle, don't you agree?
Bull, you hate Rangers because you are a bitter Republican. And now you're calling me, my family, my friends and my colleagues who support Rangers racist and sectarian? Bigot! No you don't hear this chanting everytime we play, you here it when the 2 tribes come to war. Scottish society doesn't have HUGE problems with sectarianism. As an employer myself, I have more Celtic fans than Rangers fans working for me, even my nephew, who's a Tim too. Scottish society did once have a problem with Sectarianism which is now on the slide. My dad got a job in the 60's because he was asked which school he went to. He replied St Georges and got the job, and was promptly fired when they found out it was St Georges Road school. That's just an example of 2 way bigotry in the old days. Ok, I am against these songs because they get us into trouble. Truth be told, I have frequented various Forums over the past few days and discussed ways of taking the club forward with songs about our glorious history and achievements. On 606 yesterday was a broad consensus to banish the ****ty songs that embarrass the club in the eyes of society. Songs about banned terrorist groups that have killed and maimed 1000's is wrong Rebelbhoy - 100% Major cop-out, 50,000+ sang a sectarian song. Your arguement is flawed, the song is an obvious dig at Walters Protestant backround and is Sectarian. I have brought all of these up before on another thread is was roundly blanked by TGFITW. So we'll bring it up now, what's more shameful, a song or any of the above? It isn't en-masse and it isn't every week, believe me, as I actually go to some of the games. Well, considering that I seem to be the only Rangers regular on here (and Squiggler) there is not much lobbying to be done here. But as I said earlier, there has been a good few Conversations about it on 606, and the general consensus is that my opinion is much the same as a majority of Rangers fans. How? See above. Also because it can't go on, not with the future of the club is at stake. It's my opinion that you are a bigot, I have never met anyone who hates Rangers and it's fans who wasn't a bigot, and we know that your part of the world is particulary blighted with this problem. Apologies if that offends you, but it's the only reason I can think of your deep seated and burning hatred of the Club and your broad-brushing and tarring everyone with the same brush.
I condemn the fans who are harming the club by singing sectarian songs. I also condemn the Celtic fans who sing about banned paramilitary organisations that killed and maimed 1,000's. Do you?
What has Celtic fans singing about the IRA got to do with Rangers fans singing racist and sectarian songs? If we didn't sing these songs your fans songs would still be racist and sectarian
Read the whole thread again from the start and see how it evolves into what we are talking about now.
Right I've re-read the whole thing. You are the one who has referred to celtics fans behaviour. No one else has, save for in response to you criticising Celtic fans behaviour. So I repeat the question. What has Celtic fans singing about the ira (or throwing bottles, or singing orange bastard to Walter) got to do with rangers fans singing racist and sectarian songs?
Bitter? Whyso? You have a club who has a major problem with racism and sectarianism. Those that sing these songs are evidently racist and sectarian and those, like you, like Bain, like Smith are facilitating them by refusing to condemn it bullshit. You hear it when there are Irish players there to hear it. You regularly and consistently hear sectarian songs emanating from your support. And I am sorry but this “now on the slide” ****e doesn’t make it right and it your intransigence isn’t going to hasten its eradication so the broad consensus wasn’t to address the problem. I think that songs about Irish freedom are ok. Why is my argument flawed? The hallmark of your debating style is to make a claim and then fail to back it up. Tell me why my argument is flawed? Thousands of people breaking that law every week as opposed to 6 incidents in 30 years….ok just one really loud guy is it? Absolute ****e So no ccondemnation at all?….anywhere? Doesn’t offend me but it certainly baffles me as to how you can reach such an opinion based on absolutely nothing.
It's got **** all to do with it. I was pointing Rebelbhoy in the the direction of his hypocrisy. So read it again and see if you can find it.
Personally from reading it, it seems like your trying to say you think rangers fans should stop singing the song because you'll get in trouble and anyway Celtic are just as bad if not worse. Well whether Celtic fans are as bad or worse is irrelevant. Whether Rebel is a hypocrite or not is irrelevant. The reason your club gets in trouble and our club does not is because you dont understand why you get in trouble in the first place. The reason you get fined and we dont is because you only take action after punishment to avoid more punishment - not because you realise its wrong. And so it will continue......... but i dont expect you to accept my view opinion....afterall its MY opinion. Your opinion is also valid, but im not shocked your opinion seems the same as the rest of the gers on this - including Bain and Smith, aye we should stop but only cuz we'll be punished.....not because its racist, and anyway Celtic are far worse singing about the ra
Bitter? Whyso? You tell me why you are so bitter that you HATE a football team. Rangers have a minor problem with Sectarian singing from a minority of fans. To help me argue with you, please point out what songs are offensive to you. P.s The offensive Famine song is sung at Celtic games only. Point me in the direction of these Irish players who hear it then, tell me where and when. I was at Ibrox last week v DU and Sean Dillon and Jon Daly were not subjected to any sectarian singing from what I can remember. I watched the Rangers against St Mirren at the weekend and didn't here any sectarian singing, so if it's so readily available to you, point it out to me. The Broad consensus was to sing pro-Rangers songs like Follow Follow, Blue Sea of Ibrox etc. and to stop giving some uppity, perma-offended, bitter ****s like you a stick to beat us with. Though I'm getting less fussed about you every time you reply as it is evident that you are a bitter fool with a chip on your shoulder. What has that got to do with Celtic? Why is the singing of pro-IRA songs, songs which the vast majority of the people of GB and Ireland find offensive, acceptable to you. WHY? It's flawed because it shows us the 'hallmark' of your debating skills is to brush over points raised to to counter your claims of NO sectarian singing from the Celtic support. To call Walter Smith a "sad ORANGE bastard" is sectarian singing. Your glorious support were singing last night that the ref was a 'Dirty Orange Bastard' last night! Sectarian singing. If you want to go down your previous route, then I'll just counter by saying that 'Fenain' isn't sectarian. Yes? Prove it, show me the evidence that thousands of people break the law every week, like I say, I was at Ibrox last week and never witnessed sectarian singing, so if it's so prevalent, then it shouldn't be hard for you to prove it. And my point still stands, Celtic fans have been responsible for the most despicable scenes witnessed inside a football ground in Scottish fooball EVER. Do you agree? Show me evidence to the contrary then. Go for it. This must be really easy for you if it's happens ALL the time. Bigot Origin: late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite) Bigot meaning: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his own. I believe that this perfectly illustrates your behavioural traits. I've got a busy day today, so I'll catch up with you when I can be arsed
