So You Think - Eclipse

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Benvenuto Cellini

Benvenuto Cellini

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Evens again <laugh>

twice in the space of a few weeks the generous bookies are giving you even money about a stonecold 1/3 jailcase

Its christmas come early, this will be smashed to kingdom come.

If he goes off bigger than 4/7 my name isnt Boris Fenster.

Farhh second fav :biggrin: <laugh>

Nathanial at 1m2 <laugh> <laugh> <laugh>

Cityscape and Bonfire :shocked:

happy days
 
You dream about even money shots like this and two of them come along in the space of two weeks :D
 
I do agree he will be very hard to beat indeed, it will be his race to loose! But it iwll be intresting to see what talent Fahr actually has, imo he will be a future multi G1 winner!
 
I don't wanna spoil the Boris party but I wonder if rain might be the one thing to dampen the parade- and simultaneously save Nathaniel from being outpaced and enable him to gallop away. Just one thing to bear in mind- Workforce ran his best race of the season in this last year, so it goes to show that this is a stiffer finish over 1m 2f than you might think. Sea The Stars had to dig very deep as well here.


Don't underestimate Giofra by the way, that is a really nice improving filly for Royer-Dupre, despite being well beaten by Cirrus Des Aigles LTO. I don't think she will win this, but note her down for a fillies event later in the year perhaps.
 
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Just as an analysis of the Eclipse over the ast 3 years, I wouldn't say it is your usual 10f horse that wins it or runs well in it- usually it is a good horse who stays 1m4f that wins it- watch how tough the finishes are when horses hit the front- no many accelerate past!
 
TopClass said:
I don't wanna spoil the Boris party but I wonder if rain might be the one thing to dampen the parade- and simultaneously save Nathaniel from being outpaced and enable him to gallop away. Just one thing to bear in mind- Workforce ran his best race of the season in this last year, so it goes to show that this is a stiffer finish over 1m 2f than you might think. Sea The Stars had to dig very deep as well here.
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Nothing can save Nathaniel from being outpaced, possible rain has obviously come into my calculations, So You Think goes on anything, Farhh wont have recovered in time from a tough race at Ascot, first run out a handicap, while its all in a days work for So You Think, you could run him every week. I know fine well how stiff the 1m2 is at Sandown but that dosent concern me in the slightest, Sea The Stars had a genuine Group 1 horse in Rip Van Winkle to fend off which is totally irrelevant with regards to this race. Overrated as Workforce was, he is still miles better than any of these, a thirsk hunt cup winner is second fav and Nothanksyall is on the drift for obvious reasons, this being a prep for the King George and the fact that he wants 2 miles and 8 hurdles.
 
I'd rule out Cityscape on stamina grounds, have question marks over Farhh in terms of stamina (no matter how well he ran on at Ascot).

My idea of how the race pans out is Nathaniel to kick for home and make it a true test, probably be worn down late by So You Think with Giofra nabbing the place money for France by keeping on well from the rear.


I'm pretty happy with that as a tricast should they all turn up and should conditons continue to produce slower ground. In fact, I'm quietly confident. Can understand why So You Think appeals, absolutely.
 
Last year, So You Think 4/6 against two actual Group 1 horses in Snow Fairy and Workforce, evens to beat Farhh <laugh>

madness
 
Nathaniel will be off the bridle going backwards 4 out, So You Think will win by 3 or 4 lengths to Bonfire.
 
Farhh won't be good enough, and won't figure in the finish. He wasn't unlucky at Ascot, he was flattered.
Nathaniel is being set a very demanding task for his seasonal debut. Gosden wouldn't ask him to do that if he didn't expect a decent run.
Cityscape, if he gets the trip, and if he can get his toe in, is a genuine Gp1 animal who may still be improving at 6.
Bonfire can be forgiven his poor showing at Epsom as he clearly hated the track, and the trip may have been beyond him. No-one knows how good he is because no-one knows how good the 3 yolds are.

So You think will be absolutely spot on for his final bow, and evens does look fair. But he's not exactly been solid at that price on Betfair. The lack of market confidence is a slight worry.
 
Breaking news - So You Think is out of the race having been found lame in his box this morning.
 
Archers Road said:
Farhh won't be good enough, and won't figure in the finish. He wasn't unlucky at Ascot, he was flattered.
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Do you actually believe that? Did you watch the race? He came from stone last, got absolutely no run at any point in the straight - finally got clear and flew home! How is that being flattered?? Dead unlucky, and I think he would have won, no doubt about that. He's a class animal, and is entitled to be improving at 4 on only his fourth start! Foolish to say he's not good enough in my opinion.
 
Ron said:
Welcome Ekbalco99. Remember that hurdler very well.
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Thanks Ron - a great horse - that deserved a bit better ... but running for the rogueish Roger Fisher not all was as it seemed I guess .. anyway - Onward and Upward . I'll be on Fahrr ... they have supplemented it and its got an even better chance now .. .nothing else stands out with any real form ... so If i have a bet thats the one for me ...
 
NamNed said:
Do you actually believe that? Did you watch the race? He came from stone last, got absolutely no run at any point in the straight - finally got clear and flew home! How is that being flattered?? Dead unlucky, and I think he would have won, no doubt about that. He's a class animal, and is entitled to be improving at 4 on only his fourth start! Foolish to say he's not good enough in my opinion.
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Just watched it again. I still think he was staying on past beaten horses - they certainly went a fair clip behind the Ballydoyle pace-maker, and Farrh got the benefit of being held up. That said, he was checked in his run up the rail, before appearing to fly home at the death, so perhaps you're right. I won't be backing him though. Good luck if you do.
 
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