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pass the football said:
What's the problem with substituting one, perhaps underwhelming, reaction shot for a better one though? That doesn't change the narrative one bit, unlike the crying German woman and indeed Loew's touching encounter with a ball boy, which were two of the most memorable moments of the tournament (though perhaps only because they seemed out of place!)
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Well they're lying to you aren't they. I know it doesn't change much, and you get the idea of how it played out, but I want what actually happened. It's supposed to be reality, not a bloody TV drama!
 
Relentless Saint Supertramp said:
So all the beautiful European girls they kept cutting to were also likely selected in advance. I did wonder how they found them among the more shall we say standard football fans while all the real action takes place on the pitch
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That did strike me as pretty odd. I just figured that they actually employed a cameraman solely for the purpose of scanning the crowd for hotties. I wouldn't put that past UEFA.
 
pass the football said:
I'm sure there is a rule about the length of delay and still calling it 'live'. I remember hearing that the digital encoding and decoding took about four seconds. Was a big problem for radio 4 broadcasting the 'pips' on the hour on digital radio! Not sure how they resolved that (if indeed they did at all).
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Bit of trivia: if you listen to a portable radio with Analogue BBC Radio 4 at the foot of Big Ben, the BBC Pips beat Big Ben even though they happen exactly at the same time. It's just that the sound from bell in the tower has to physically travel the distance to your ear. The analogue radio signals beat Big Ben to the punch.

Like yourself, I don't know what they did about the Digital signal. I would imagine they synchronise everything to come out at the right time. I would imagine John Humphries would be telling porky-pies when he announces that it is seven-thirty am exactly, then. ;)

BTW, I think you might be right about the LIVE rule you refer to.
 
TheSecondStain said:
Bit of trivia: if you listen to a portable radio with Analogue BBC Radio 4 at the foot of Big Ben, the BBC Pips beat Big Ben even though they happen exactly at the same time. It's just that the sound from bell in the tower has to physically travel the distance to your ear. The analogue radio signals beat Big Ben to the punch.
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Sound travels at roughly 1000 m/s, so I doubt if you were standing at the foot of big ben there would be much of a difference for that reason...
 
Joe Steinberg said:
Five minutes seems a bit much. I'd be inclined to suggest that there might have been some lag on your end.
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Yeah, I thought something like that too, but I did press F5 and it didn't change. I also switched on another PC and restarted my router for good measure. Same delay. Of course, you wouldn't know unless you switched on another feed format.
 
Wisescummer said:
Sound travels at roughly 1000 m/s, so I doubt if you were standing at the foot of big ben there would be much of a difference for that reason...
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Radio waves travel at close to the speed of light, so it's quite possible, though only by a fraction of a second.

Joe Steinberg said:
Well they're lying to you aren't they. I know it doesn't change much, and you get the idea of how it played out, but I want what actually happened. It's supposed to be reality, not a bloody TV drama!
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It's not lying, it's necessary for presentation reasons. If you're that concerned about temporally accurate crowd shots, maybe you need a different hobby!
 
TheSecondStain said:
Yeah, I thought something like that too, but I did press F5 and it didn't change. I also switched on another PC and restarted my router for good measure. Same delay. Of course, you wouldn't know unless you switched on another feed format.
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I watched many of the ITV games on a website called TVCatchup (I don't have a TV right now), which would be more delayed than the player on the ITV website, and obviously far more delayed than actually watching on TV or listening to the radio. Still though, I don't think it was any more than a minute out.
 
Here's my bit of trivia then, if you are standing at the foot of big ben you are next to a bell. The tower housing Big Ben is called the Elizabeth Tower.
 
pass the football said:
Radio waves travel at close to the speed of light, so it's quite possible, though only by a fraction of a second.



It's not lying, it's necessary for presentation reasons. If you're that concerned about temporally accurate crowd shots, maybe you need a different hobby!
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It is lying, and "necessary for presentation reasons" is an oxymoron, as said presentation isn't necessary.
 
I remember on Twitter, Rob Harris of the Associated Press was out there and said there was a delay.
Against Ukraine about 10 secs before we scored he had tweeted "GOAL ROONEY", so I looked back up at the TV and I said "Rooney will score here", in went the cross, and Rooney nodded it in.

Definitely was a delay also as someone out in Ukraine I know text me when a goal went in before I had seen it.

5 minutes is not right though.
 
There were some chinese students who made a killing through betting on football by exploiting the time delay. Something about them being at the match in England and betting though websites based in China. Killed by gangsters in the end...
 
Maybe England are still in it:emoticon-0125-mmm: Perhaps they were showing footage from the last World Cup.
 
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