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devonFRATTONiser said:
In recent years it has been debated many times, on various forums, as to whether or not Rangers and Celtic should be admitted into the English Premier League (or invited to start off in the Championship).

I have always argued against their inclusion in the English leagues on the basis that it would be detrimental to Scottish football and the SPL. Without these two, I think the value (TV coverage, advertising, sponsorship) of the league would fall through the floor. Within a few short years I would foresee the standard of the SPL as being at a similar level to the Welsh Premier League.

As things stand today, with newco Rangers looking certain to be denied an SPL place, it does rather make the SPL a 'one-trick-pony', where the League Trophy may as well be presented to Celtic in August. We'll have to wait and see what this means for the future of the SPL, but I fail to see anything 'good' about a league totally dominated by a single side.

Now the situation is completely different. If newco Rangers were to be allowed into the English set-up, we have to decide at which level?. The Premier League and Football league fixtures have already been announced. That means the highest possible league would be the Blue Square Premier League (Conference). But the Conference don't take kindly to newcos as a result of financial woes, (look at Darlington as a current example) so I'd be surprised if they'd have you.

This means the highest level I could realistically seeing newco Rangers being admitted to the English structure would be the Northern Premier League Premier Division, 3 divisions below League Two and 6 below the Premier League. Even if the side won promotion every season it would take 6 seasons before they got promoted to the Premier League. On the other hand; starting in the Scottish League Division 3, it would take only 3 promotions to reach the SPL. Add to this the fact that, once in the Blue Square Premier and above, travel to matches would include journeys all the way to the South Coast of England (that's some seriously long journeys if Rangers are in the same division as Exeter, Torquay, Plymouth, Dagenham & Redbridge and Southend!); some-thing that might persuade Rangers fans that it would, perhaps, be better to stay North of the boarder.
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You travel further in Europe, and so ok for some games you will only take a coule of hundred supportters, but the potential is thta in 3 6 seasons you will have the multi millions that come with the premiership versus the pin money that you get with the SPL in 3 . Sometimes you have to take the long view.

Plus rangers supporters will be able to sing what ther hell they like knowing that their will be no celtic fans hanging around to **** stir with the fuzz, plus the TV exosure you will get will immediately be more than anything that you receive in the SPL at the moment. Yes it requires the finaces to be sorted out once and for all but in 6 years potentially rangers could be sitting pretty while the rest of the SPL look on in envy.
 
fevriul said:
Why? if they sort out their finances , then apart from travel to some away games being long, the future potential nfor the club is amazing.
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the issue still remains that they are not allowed to register as Rangers - that club is dead - so in effect you would be creating a new club for those fans who no longer have a team to support. That team has no history and no money - it's also debateable they would even have a fan base

What makes you think that a new club, even if they did have a majority of the previous clubs supporters (highly unlikely) could even reach the dizzy heights of the EPL?

This is a pipe dream - plenty smoke but it will dissipate before it amounts to anything
 
Tioga River said:
the issue still remains that they are not allowed to register as Rangers - that club is dead - so in effect you would be creating a new club for those fans who no longer have a team to support. That team has no history and no money - it's also debateable they would even have a fan base

What makes you think that a new club, even if they did have a majority of the previous clubs supporters (highly unlikely) could even reach the dizzy heights of the EPL?

This is a pipe dream - plenty smoke but it will dissipate before it amounts to anything
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What a load of rubbish , a company is a company , they come and go a Club does not, no matter what the rivals of it may say. The company that controls Chelsea football club has gone brankrupt before, but CFC still remains the same. Rangers will always be Rangers football cluband the only eople who count when it comes to their history will be the supporters of Rangers. Going on about, oh its a NEWCO and no history blah blah blah just sounds childish, they can be Glasgow Rangers AFC but in the end they will always be RANGERS and no one can change that PERIOD.

As for whether they will reach the EPL, well nothing is certain in football, but if they do the journey will be worth it, and if they are sucessful, then they will get supporters!
 
fevriul said:
What a load of rubbish , a company is a company , they come and go a Club does not, no matter what the rivals of it may say. The company that controls Chelsea football club has gone brankrupt before, but CFC still remains the same. Rangers will always be Rangers football cluband the only eople who count when it comes to their history will be the supporters of Rangers. Going on about, oh its a NEWCO and no history blah blah blah just sounds childish, they can be Glasgow Rangers AFC but in the end they will always be RANGERS and no one can change that PERIOD.

As for whether they will reach the EPL, well nothing is certain in football, but if they do the journey will be worth it, and if they are sucessful, then they will get supporters!
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Well said, Sir.

As I've pointed out hundreds of times on here, many Companies behind football clubs have had financial difficulties in the past and went bust, but the club remains always.
 
fevriul said:
You travel further in Europe, and so ok for some games you will only take a coule of hundred supportters, but the potential is thta in 3 6 seasons you will have the multi millions that come with the premiership versus the pin money that you get with the SPL in 3 . Sometimes you have to take the long view.

Plus rangers supporters will be able to sing what ther hell they like knowing that their will be no celtic fans hanging around to **** stir with the fuzz, plus the TV exosure you will get will immediately be more than anything that you receive in the SPL at the moment. Yes it requires the finaces to be sorted out once and for all but in 6 years potentially rangers could be sitting pretty while the rest of the SPL look on in envy.
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I read the OP thinking you were a bit of a moron, you have changed my mind, you are a complete moron and a bit of a spunkgobbler too.
 
Jim Dunbar said:
Well said, Sir.

As I've pointed out hundreds of times on here, many Companies behind football clubs have had financial difficulties in the past and went bust, but the club remains always.
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tricky though edge - how can i believe you when naismith et al disagree:)
 
charlie green has hacked edges account, refused to return any of his phone calls, then pretended that he wants edge to stay while getting land valuations done of edge's house you say?
 
The players are looking after their careers. Who can blame them. No me.
 
i suspect they are being quite clever edge - if they hadnt dissasociated (how the **** do you spell that?????) themselves from the "new" club perhaps there could have been a tacit agreement that their contracts remain valid?
 
simon_bhoy said:
i suspect they are being quite clever edge - if they hadnt dissasociated (how the **** do you spell that?????) themselves from the "new" club perhaps there could have been a tacit agreement that their contracts remain valid?
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Their contracts were valid but they are allowed to opt out of it when the contract is transferred.

Same as you would be, for example, if the company you work for was bought by another company. Tricky stuff employment law.
 
Jim Dunbar said:
Football fans are notoriously thick though, SiBo.
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I agree, Jim, especially those who failed to recognise the impending doom scenario as it was unfolding before their very eyes. Those same fans that decried the prospect of liquidation because it "would destroy our club's history" and those same fans that insisted, in the face of liquidation, that SPL inegrity would be trumped for financial reasons.

Also, Chelsea were never liquidated <ok>
 
DevAdvocate said:
I read the OP thinking you were a bit of a moron, you have changed my mind, you are a complete moron and a bit of a spunkgobbler too.
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Hmmmmm if only your mother had of gobbled your fathers spunk, the general IQ of the human race, would have been raised by a significant percentage!
 
Tioga River said:
I agree, Jim, especially those who failed to recognise the impending doom scenario as it was unfolding before their very eyes. Those same fans that decried the prospect of liquidation because it "would destroy our club's history" and those same fans that insisted, in the face of liquidation, that SPL inegrity would be trumped for financial reasons.

Also, Chelsea were never liquidated <ok>
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Middlesbro', Fiorentina, Napoli, Aldershot to name a few, had companies behind them that went bust.

The Company behind Rangers was founded in 1899, but Rangers were founded in 1872, so Rangers pre-dates the company.

We're in some nick, but we'll always have OUR history.

<laugh> It's a ridiculous argument, who owns history?
 
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