Question from an outsider

[happyal]

Hello,

First of all you have my sympathy, it’s a great shame and a huge shock to see a big club like Rangers fall like they have.

I don't know much about your clubs situation apart from what I read in the press. My understanding is that you have to reapply to the Scottish premier league and it’s not certain that you’ll be allowed to rejoin. If your application is rejected, then you’ll have to start in the lower leagues. Am I correct so far?

If that happens, and you have to join a lower league would it be possible to ask to join the English lower leagues? If that does happen, you’d probably end up in the English Premier league within 5 years, and you’d have access to a much larger pot of cash. Does any of this make any sense, or am I talking rubbish?

 

[Gambol]

Rangers newco does not have to reapply to the SPL. Association rules say an SPL share can be transferred to a newco at their discretion. However, the other SPL teams will be voting on whether or not Rangers are to remain in the SPL. If 8 or more clubs vote yes, then we shall remain in the SPL, but probably with sanctions (point deductions etc). Otherwise we will be in the 3rd division.

It's also possible, but unlikely, that the SFA could suspend us entirely. In which case we widny be playing fitba at all.

Canny see us going to the English leagues. Interesting idea, but I canny see them having us.

 

[VenomPD]

What Gambol said.

I think Rangers will get voted back though. Can't see the money men not going for it.

 

[Magic Laudrup 11]

If Rangers newco was rejected, it would be the first case of turkeys voting for xmas.

 

[simon_bhoy]

If Rangers newco was rejected, it would be the first case of turkeys voting for xmas.

some of the figures dont quite add up in that respect though

aberdden trust or similar have said that if just 300 punters dont renew season tickets because of this then they are out the same money as if rangers were in the spl

if dundee were promoted as a result both utd and st johnstone would be better off

 

[Magic Laudrup 11]

some of the figures dont quite add up in that respect though

aberdden trust or similar have said that if just 300 punters dont renew season tickets because of this then they are out the same money as if rangers were in the spl

if dundee were promoted as a result both utd and st johnstone would be better off

Would those 300 or so punters be worth the same as a large drop in tv and sponsorship money? Teams will be getting sponsored by their local butcher shop if there is no tv exposure. How much will companies pay to advertise on pitch side boards in empty stadiums with little or no tv exposure?

 

[simon_bhoy]

these are things neither of us can answer

most "small" teams will have sponsors who do not consider tv exposure as a big deal - for instance my firm sponsors boards at tannadice in prominent locations for potential local business - any national exposure is, at best, a happy bonus

we dont know how much the drop in tv money would be - given the distribution would change, it may be that some teams are no worse off. celtic certainly would be (although tv money is not quite the same consideration for us)

one team will be better of from euro competition - that would cover tv money easily

im not saying teams wouldnt take a hit - im sure they would - the question is now whether or not that hit is less than season ticket holders not renewing

and the fact is no one can say - and so the harbingers of doom predicting demise are simply speculating as much as you or i

look at it this way - small teams are in a lose lose situation - lose fans (and therefore revenue) if they vote rangers in and lose revenue if they dont

better to be popular and skint than unpopular and skint?

 

[Chapmeister...]

some of the figures dont quite add up in that respect though

aberdden trust or similar have said that if just 300 punters dont renew season tickets because of this then they are out the same money as if rangers were in the spl

if dundee were promoted as a result both utd and st johnstone would be better off

Bullshit, even if they charge £300, that's £90,000. Pars were down £85000 from ONE home game and that wasn't even a big gate.

What about this Dundee st Johnstone bit, opinion or fact?...

 

[Bib Fortuna's Maw]

Bullshit, even if they charge £300, that's £90,000. Pars were down £85000 from ONE home game and that wasn't even a big gate.

What about this Dundee st Johnstone bit, opinion or fact?...

That's including security and policing that you didn't pay

Aberdeen aren't that ****ing low.

 

[simon_bhoy]

hold on - aberdeen season tickets are more than 300 - im only repeating what the aberdeen fella on radio scotland said - im assuming there is also matchday revenue to be taken into account?

well derby games at tannadice sell out - games against rangers dont - thats a no brainer

last time dundee were in the spl they brought more fans to mcdairmid than rangers - thats according to stewart cosgrove admittedly but either way the difference is peanuts

derbies bring in more home supporters as well than a visit from the old firm - who wants to see their side get beat 9 times out of 10

and that pars ONE home game was the ONLY home game they get against rangers - how would 300 more season ticket holders not cancel that out???

 

[Chapmeister...]

hold on - aberdeen season tickets are more than 300 - im only repeating what the aberdeen fella on radio scotland said - im assuming there is also matchday revenue to be taken into account?

well derby games at tannadice sell out - games against rangers dont - thats a no brainer

last time dundee were in the spl they brought more fans to mcdairmid than rangers - thats according to stewart cosgrove admittedly but either way the difference is peanuts

derbies bring in more home supporters as well than a visit from the old firm - who wants to see their side get beat 9 times out of 10

and that pars ONE home game was the ONLY home game they get against rangers - how would 300 more season ticket holders not cancel that out???

Well what are they, can't be much higher, certainly not old firm material!

Rangers don't fill tannadice? I'll take this opportunity to remind you of a couple of helicopter Sunday's....

That WASN'T the only home game against rangers. Imagine my surprise at your lack of facts and truth.

 

[Magic Laudrup 11]

Dundee Utd don't charge the same for a ticket for a normal match as they do for tickets against the Old Firm. You need to think as well about the reputation of the league etc. Games will basically be meaningless with **** all to play for. Celtic will have the league won by xmas, with the team finishing 2nd getting into the 1st qualifier for the Europa League. With the budgets likely to be reduced massively, what chance will there be of any team actually getting into the group stages?

 

[harryhood67]

Helicopter Sunday's , I will remind you that they are now tarnished memories , all you've got left now.

 

[eric cartman]

Who is to say celtic wont have the league won by christmas with rangers in it anyway. You are about to be majorly downsized.

Green said a newco would allow £7.5m in savings by not having any star players. With these cutbacks I expect rangers to be about 4th in the league next year. As for tv revenue i would expect the bbc to pick it up for cheap, if sky is not interested.

 

[simon_bhoy]

they range between 250 and 423 from what i can see

fine - when the league title goes down to the last day and rangers are at tannadice they fill it - (actually come to that is the home end filled?). every other season in the world they dont - happy now? what a stupid pedantic point......are you going to imply that dundee derbys are not as important as "the rangers" coming to town???

im sorry - that was my mistake - of course there will be 3 of the bottom 6 teams who play once at home and twice away - in those cases if they bring 3000 or so supporters to rangers over 2 visits then they have provided the same revenue as rangers have to them!!

you ask about opinion or fact - well its ALL conjecture - you dont know what state teams will be in - some will be worse and some, is suspect, will be better off

but given that fans are going to boycott season tickets if you are voted in then what do they have to lose?

imagine my surprise at your lack of regard for other teams

 

[Magic Laudrup 11]

Helicopter Sunday's , I will remind you that they are now tarnished memories , all you've got left now.

All I got from that was "please start deleting my posts".

 

[simon_bhoy]

Dundee Utd don't charge the same for a ticket for a normal match as they do for tickets against the Old Firm. You need to think as well about the reputation of the league etc. Games will basically be meaningless with **** all to play for. Celtic will have the league won by xmas, with the team finishing 2nd getting into the 1st qualifier for the Europa League. With the budgets likely to be reduced massively, what chance will there be of any team actually getting into the group stages?

i think for a derby they might charge as much

you could just as easily argue that without the old firm vetoing every decision the smaller teams will be able to compete on a more level basis

fact is scottish football is dying - regardless of rangers newco - maybe this is what the game needs

 

[Chapmeister...]

Helicopter Sunday's , I will remind you that they are now tarnished memories , all you've got left now.

Nothing tarnished about them peckerhead.

Who is to say celtic wont have the league won by christmas with rangers in it anyway. You are about to be majorly downsized.

Green said a newco would allow £7.5m in savings by not having any star players. With these cutbacks I expect rangers to be about 4th in the league next year. As for tv revenue i would expect the bbc to pick it up for cheap, if sky is not interested.

ANY star players? That's a misquote, imagine my surprise...

 

[Chapmeister...]

they range between 250 and 423 from what i can see

fine - when the league title goes down to the last day and rangers are at tannadice they fill it - (actually come to that is the home end filled?). every other season in the world they dont - happy now? what a stupid pedantic point......are you going to imply that dundee derbys are not as important as "the rangers" coming to town???

im sorry - that was my mistake - of course there will be 3 of the bottom 6 teams who play once at home and twice away - in those cases if they bring 3000 or so supporters to rangers over 2 visits then they have provided the same revenue as rangers have to them!!

you ask about opinion or fact - well its ALL conjecture - you dont know what state teams will be in - some will be worse and some, is suspect, will be better off

but given that fans are going to boycott season tickets if you are voted in then what do they have to lose?

imagine my surprise at your lack of regard for other teams

Where did I voice an opinion on whether the Spl are better off with or without rangers?...

I merely disagreed with the 300 fans bit.

Our opinions mean **** all, what will be will be, it's out of our control.

 

[simon_bhoy]

"Where did I voice an opinion on whether the Spl are better off with or without rangers?..."

well what is your opinion then - you got involved, you commented - so commit to it

"I merely disagreed with the 300 fans bit."

the fella was on call kaye this morning just before 9 as i drew up in car park - im sure the podcast is available - he claims his fans group has done the sums with an accountant

"Our opinions mean **** all, what will be will be, it's out of our control."

as its a football forum you will forgive me for having one and sharing it though yes?