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tipsycanary said:
I don't know the ins and outs of the workings within a football club but the director of football position must be used in a slightly different manner on the continent as it has been very successful for several clubs. Or maybe they use the manager in a different role to clubs in this country.
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On the continent, because managers come and go on what I've referred to as a "this is our squad, see what you can do with it" basis, the Director of Football is the person who "maintains" the strength and continuity of the playing staff. And since, by and large, this model is accepted by continental manager-coaches, you don't get the tensions that arise in this country when a traditional "I want total control" manager finds himself having to work with, or as he almost always come to see it, against, a Director of Football. Within a league, different clubs may approach things one way or the other; the problems arise when you structure the club in the continental way and then appoint a traditional English system manager.

The interesting question is which way things are going in the Premier League. That will be decided by finance, not football.
 
Just to illustrate my point about managing on the continent, Claudio Ranieri, who reportedly has been interviewed by West Brom, left Chelsea in 2004. Since then he has managed Valencia, Parma, Juventus, Roma and Inter Milan! In this country, we would be asking "How on earth did he get appointed to any of those jobs if his average tenure is under two years? But then you look at the clubs in that list and think "Well clearly he's no mug". Answer: that's the continental way.

Interesting that West Brom are considering appointing him, but let's see what actually happens.
 
robbieBB said:
Just to illustrate my point about managing on the continent, Claudio Ranieri, who reportedly has been interviewed by West Brom, left Chelsea in 2004. Since then he has managed Valencia, Parma, Juventus, Roma and Inter Milan! In this country, we would be asking "How on earth did he get appointed to any of those jobs if his average tenure is under two years? But then you look at the clubs in that list and think "Well clearly he's no mug". Answer: that's the continental way.

Interesting that West Brom are considering appointing him, but let's see what actually happens.
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Butch Wilkins is also on their short list!
 
tipsycanary said:
I don't know the ins and outs of the workings within a football club but the director of football position must be used in a slightly different manner on the continent as it has been very successful for several clubs. Or maybe they use the manager in a different role to clubs in this country.
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...they are not managers on the continent, they are coaches, with a different job description.
 
THURNBY CANARY said:
I wondered if the cynical sackings of managers, largely through foreign owners desperate for instant gratification is actually starting to backfire. The Liverpool situation is not flowing well and Martinez does not look to have full backing while still the favourite, there have been several others who have distanced themselves from the job.
The same at Villa, notably Brendan Rogers who overtly chose to stay at Swansea. Last year we had the shambles at Wolves who got rid of McCarthy and then a long list of managers turned their backs on the appointment. I am hoping that we may be seeing a change in mindset and hopefully an increase in loyalty which could see contracts starting to mean something in the future. this could be all wishful thinking but I thought it was at least worth running buy you all to see if there is some agreement or appreciation or whether I am just talking tosh again!
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Like everyone else great idea for a thread. I think managers have gained a more power over the clubs as we're now seeing clubs actively trying to sign up managers owners flying out to meet people etc. A premiership job years ago would have managers lining up to take it, right now people don't seem interested job security is a major factor, as most mangers don't have the success which is desired by their employers, on top that it's calling on a massive commitment from the manager and their family to relocate only to move on two years later.
 
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