Get ready for the bumpy ride!

[NSIS]

Agreed - I was just asking if anyone knows who he leaves those decisions to - I can't imagine Levy would take it upon himself when he's got an experienced football man like Harry around.

However you slice this - you need a process for determining what price to buy and sell at. Otherwise you end up in the Liverpool model, paying mega-bucks for muppets.

As the OP says, it's the damage that Comolli did that would surely make the club reluctant to go down that path again. However, Levy really does need to take some advice about when to just say "yes, done deal" and not keep trying to squeeze the last drop out of everything.

 

[PowerSpurs]

As the OP says, it's the damage that Comolli did that would surely make the club reluctant to go down that path again. However, Levy really does need to take some advice about when to just say "yes, done deal" and not keep trying to squeeze the last drop out of everything.

That's a bit like saying 'After the damage Christian Gross did we should never appoint a manager again'. I can't see any harm in having two roles - one to buy the right players at the right price and one to get the best out of the current squad. We sort of have that anyway, but as you say someone needs to help Levy get it right.

 

[Boss]

That's a bit like saying 'After the damage Christian Gross did we should never appoint a manager again'. I can't see any harm in having two roles - one to buy the right players at the right price and one to get the best out of the current squad. We sort of have that anyway, but as you say someone needs to help Levy get it right.

Thats not really a good comparisons as a team needs a manager to be a success and a club doesnt need a dof to be a success..however if a club feels a dof can work, then it could be beneficial.

One reason clubs abroad like to have a dof, is that if a manager leaves they still have someone at the club that signed the players and there thinking is that the dof is buying players for now and the future, regardless of who the manager is.

With a manager, they are buying players for improving the club now and possibly the future (if they think that far ahead).

Having a dof imo only works if the manager requests to work with one and picks the dof, or vice versa.....if levy decides a change of system regardless of what the manager feels that really its destined to be a failure.

 

[Spurf]

You can call these people what you like, what you need is the man picking the team and preparing the tactics is also the man who decides what players he wants for that team.

He does not have to decide if we can afford them or not that's the chairmans business. In other words the system we have. Levy says to Harry I can get VDV do you want him? Or Harry says to Levy I want Parker can you get him.

Better than Jol not able to get the players he wanted and being 'given' players he didn't want by Comolli.

 

[PowerSpurs]

You can call these people what you like, what you need is the man picking the team and preparing the tactics is also the man who decides what players he wants for that team.

He does not have to decide if we can afford them or not that's the chairmans business. In other words the system we have. Levy says to Harry I can get VDV do you want him? Or Harry says to Levy I want Parker can you get him.

Better than Jol not able to get the players he wanted and being 'given' players he didn't want by Comolli.

I agree with all that - this all came from my 'who at the club decides how much we pay to buy someone and how much we ask to sell someone' question (paraphrased). I still don't know who decides the value.....does anyone?

 

[Spurf]

I agree with all that - this all came from my 'who at the club decides how much we pay to buy someone and how much we ask to sell someone' question (paraphrased). I still don't know who decides the value.....does anyone?

Levy decides. That's why Spurs are a very viable club. Some clubs give the manager a 'pot'. Spurs tried that with Comilli and we are still stuck with some of them.

 

[NSIS]

You can call these people what you like, what you need is the man picking the team and preparing the tactics is also the man who decides what players he wants for that team.

He does not have to decide if we can afford them or not that's the chairmans business. In other words the system we have. Levy says to Harry I can get VDV do you want him? Or Harry says to Levy I want Parker can you get him.

Better than Jol not able to get the players he wanted and being 'given' players he didn't want by Comolli.

Yes, but we're going around in circles. Which brings us back to who decides where the value is? Who decides what's a fair price? If Levy is unable to do it, then somebody else whom he trusts, has to tell him

 

[notsosmartspur]

you get what you pay for, just as you've said. sometimes you just have to pay that little bit more. - Which is why this vertonghen situation has been highly frustrating. But we won't get him now, I very much doubt.

Paying the money early is nothing to do with it in this case, the player and his agent would be extremely stupid to not wait and see if THFC got CL football or not before making a decision. If he changes his mind now you can't blame him either, and nothing Levy does or doesn't do will change this.

 

[Spurlock]

When I was a kid, I had the fortune to see the 60-61 double side play many, many times. They had, inDave Mackay, a player who would leave his blood and guts on the pitch rather than meekly accept defeat. Until we get some of that attitude into our current team, we will struggle to be champions again. Being a champion starts with thinking like a champion - something we don't currently do.

exactly my point..instead alot of us seem happy to be getting 5th every year and reminding the rest of us that once upon a time we used to be 12th so lets accept it..we have no divine rights..but we have structures in place yet still choose to think like the Bolton's of this world!

As though that is Spurs role in the echelons of football..well fuk that if im going to condition myself to accept our fate before everything has been done to be winners.

and its also spot on that we haggle and miss out..then folk remind us that Levy is a business man..im neither..but i love my team as do all of you..yet we know what is good for Spurs ..or at least we know haggling for the odd mill can bite us in the arse as it ALWAYS does...so how can someone who works at the club in the highest position use it as an excuse that he is a businessman and not a...well not a what? a 'footballing mind'?...chairman of a football club?...one whom accredits himself for bringing in VDV?...he surely has some grasp of talent it seems....yet some of us are always happy to dress our team up as 'the nearly men' who should be glad they were allowed to peek into the window...low expectations means low yield...im sure the businessman in Levy knows this aswell...or at last i hope..unless the bug has bit him too and hes ust happy to be anywhere near the top..and if too many questions asked he can or Harry for that matter can remind us that we cant comp[ete with wages,gates and have a new stadium on the horizon..all that may be true but that does not explain how we have nobody who can get us talent unless it is obvious and plasterd over the papers.

 

[Spurf]

I think Levy has the highest expectations and plans for Spurs, everything he has said and done shows you that, doesn't it?

It is a very difficult job running a business involving millions where spending 15million on a player is not unusual. That is £15.000.000 think about it! A player who may or may not be worth it, Bentley? He has to pick a man who he thinks he can trust with these decisions and then decide how much to pay. At the same time make sure his company (club) is solvent. This is the difficult job because if he gets it wrong everything is at stake, Leeds?

He has made mistakes Ramos? but he learns fast and overall has done a fantastic job for Spurs. We are very lucky to have IMHO.

 

[Spurlock]

I think Levy has the highest expectations and plans for Spurs, everything he has said and done shows you that, doesn't it?

It is a very difficult job running a business involving millions where spending 15million on a player is not unusual. That is £15.000.000 think about it! A player who may or may not be worth it, Bentley? He has to pick a man who he thinks he can trust with these decisions and then decide how much to pay. At the same time make sure his company (club) is solvent. This is the difficult job because if he gets it wrong everything is at stake, Leeds?

He has made mistakes Ramos? but he learns fast and overall has done a fantastic job for Spurs. We are very lucky to have IMHO.

thats what i believe however some people on here remind me that hes not a footballing man but a business man....i just see that as more excuses.

 

[John_Pull_Goati_eh]

I think Levy has the highest expectations and plans for Spurs, everything he has said and done shows you that, doesn't it?

It is a very difficult job running a business involving millions where spending 15million on a player is not unusual. That is £15.000.000 think about it! A player who may or may not be worth it, Bentley? He has to pick a man who he thinks he can trust with these decisions and then decide how much to pay. At the same time make sure his company (club) is solvent. This is the difficult job because if he gets it wrong everything is at stake, Leeds?

He has made mistakes Ramos? but he learns fast and overall has done a fantastic job for Spurs. We are very lucky to have IMHO.

I agree, levy is a good businessman, conducting himself in a very professional manner.

 

[PowerSpurs]

thats what i believe however some people on here remind me that hes not a footballing man but a business man....i just see that as more excuses.

Its a very difficult job - if he goes £2m higher for Vertonghen and he turns out to be another Bentley - then what?

 

[NSIS]

Its a very difficult job - if he goes £2m higher for Vertonghen and he turns out to be another Bentley - then what?

I don't think that's very likely. The guy is captain of Ajax, firstly. Secondly, this transfer ( if it now happens) will not involve Comolli.

 

[Spurlock]

Its a very difficult job - if he goes £2m higher for Vertonghen and he turns out to be another Bentley - then what?

and if he doesnt?? where is the punt?

we blew about 6-8 mill over on Bent and the same on Bentley...so thats 14 to 16 mill blown...but we seem to have not been effected...so why would the 2 mill extra for Vertonghen kill us? or why would the extra 2 mill for Cahill killed us yet we are happy to hold onto the likes of Jenas and Dos Santos because we want maximum for their limited talent...yet selling them would account for the bartering value of these potential signings...if we can be brave to throw away 8 mill per player then a 2 mill risk is well worth it.

cant have it both ways.

 

[NSIS]

and if he doesnt?? where is the punt?

we blew about 6-8 mill over on Bent and the same on Bentley...so thats 14 to 16 mill blown...but we seem to have not been effected...so why would the 2 mill extra for Vertonghen kill us? or why would the extra 2 mill for Cahill killed us yet we are happy to hold onto the likes of Jenas and Dos Santos because we want maximum for their limited talent...yet selling them would account for the bartering value of these potential signings...if we can be brave to throw away 8 mill per player then a 2 mill risk is well worth it.

cant have it both ways.

Yeah, we'll put. Unfortunately, it seems that Levy does want it both ways. IMO, he should know, or be informed what the true value of a target is before he goes in. Obviously, you would expect him to try to negotiate the best deal, but at the end of it, if he has to pay our valuation, then no more ****ing about - pay it, and get the deal done before someone else does.

 

[Spurlock]

Yeah, we'll put. Unfortunately, it seems that Levy does want it both ways. IMO, he should know, or be informed what the true value of a target is before he goes in. Obviously, you would expect him to try to negotiate the best deal, but at the end of it, if he has to pay our valuation, then no more ****ing about - pay it, and get the deal done before someone else does.

this is my point...there is a serious need for some re thinks at our club.....for me he should be held accountable for letting targets slip through the net.

trying to always rip other clubs off has meant that we have lost out on top 4...or so i believe it is one of the reasons...so instead of saving the odd mill here and there we completely risk missing the 30 mill gravy boat....since hes a business man according to many of us...then for me he has shown a lack of foresight in many dealings...im glad we dont have a waster for a chairman...but theres playing it safe too much aswell...yet he was willing to loosen the shackles for Commolli to waste outrageous amounts.

i just dont bloody get it anymore.

 

[Spurf]

this is my point...there is a serious need for some re thinks at our club.....for me he should be held accountable for letting targets slip through the net.

trying to always rip other clubs off has meant that we have lost out on top 4...or so i believe it is one of the reasons...so instead of saving the odd mill here and there we completely risk missing the 30 mill gravy boat....since hes a business man according to many of us...then for me he has shown a lack of foresight in many dealings...im glad we dont have a waster for a chairman...but theres playing it safe too much aswell...yet he was willing to loosen the shackles for Commolli to waste outrageous amounts.

i just dont bloody get it anymore.

My guess is we are paying for the Comolli spending, once bitten twice shy. I also guess that Harry is frustrated because he cant buy who he wants. He has often said, pointedly, the chairman makes the decision. He's also said we can't compete. Reading between the lines:

Levy was stung by what happened with Comolli and Ramos, he knows millions were wasted. He also has the finance of the stadium to consider. You can see that we were big big spenders just before and during the Ramos period. Since Harry fairly modest.

We have a cautious chairman and a frustrated manager. A manager who thought he was coming to a big club with big transfer budgets.

All speculation but possible.

 

[NSIS]

We also don't know what shareholder reaction may have been. At the end of the day (cliche ) Levy is answerable to them. Joe Lewis is not famed for wasting his money, or I suspect, seeing others waste it for him. It's very possible that Levy had his arse kicked by them, and has tightened up accordingly.

 

[perrymanlegend]

NSS - surely by investing in new players the value of the club would go up.
By constantly worrying if Joe Lewis et al will approve the chance of improving the squad will diminish as targets disappear.