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redruthyella said:
Serious question here. Do you think alcohol plays a big part in this?
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I'd say alcohol exacerbates it, but no more than that. The guy who tipped a load of muck on Robert Chase's drive may have fuelled his Dutch courage with a pint or two, but I doubt if he felt any different about what he'd done when he sobered up. He just thought he had some sort of divine right as an ardent City supporter to do what he did -- as presumably did those who abused Chase and his family in other equally vile ways.
 
robbieBB said:
Anyone listening to the post-match interviews on R5L last night will have heard Rovers player Bradley Orr's tribute to Kean. He basically said that, as far as the dressing room was concerned, Kean had been first class since taking over and that they, the players, had nothing but admiration for the way Kean had conducted himself, in particular his dignity, courage and composure in the face of all the hostility and abuse. They had been relegated, not because of Kean, but because they simply weren't good enough. To me Orr sounded honest and sincere; he put the protesting Blackburn fans and that idiot Savage to shame.
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Sorry Robbie, but we hear exactly the same from players of all relegated clubs, and to a man they are talking out of their arses. When a club gets relegated it's EVERYONES fault, how can any self respecting player come out and say "it's our fault" we didn't try hard enough or we weren't good enough??? The manager has to make choices, if Bradley Orr wasn't good enough then the manager shouldn't have carried on selecting him or others.
There are transfer windows where you can buy or loan in players. Some players refused to play for their manager, how does Bradley Orr explain that?
Kean lost the support of the players ages ago, and couldn't recognise it or was blind to it. To stand up in public and say that he still believed they could avoid the drop, then put out teams who had no attacking intentions and managed 1 shot on target in 2 games, just makes him even more of a laughing stock that he was before. As I have said previously, the man is a deluded fool!

ILD OTBC
 
ilovedelia said:
.... how can any self respecting player come out and say "it's our fault" we didn't try hard enough or we weren't good enough??? ILD OTBC
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On the contrary ILD, how can any self-respecting player NOT come out and say it, if it's true? But the real point is that whether Kean is up the job or not is completely beside the point. Nobody, not even "a deluded fool", should be subjected to the vile treatment handed out to him by a large contingent of Blackburn fans.
 
goldeneadie said:
according to the BBC sports site, keane has just been sacked, so the fans have got their way eventually.
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Its a very tricky one. Kean obviously told his employers that he was good enough for the job. He would have known of the poor position they were in and yet still wanted to do the job. But whatever reason, he wasn't good enough to keep Blackburn in the Prem.
Conversely, why have his employers taken until now to dismiss him? They were in trouble before the transfer window in January, lost two tremendous CB's yet carried on with the same regime.
Obviously the same set of apparently abusive supporters will be there next season. Whatever their conscience says, they will turn up and support their club. And support isn't just cheering and encouraging. There is the financial side of buying a season ticket.
 
robbieBB said:
On the contrary ILD, how can any self-respecting player NOT come out and say it, if it's true? But the real point is that whether Kean is up the job or not is completely beside the point. Nobody, not even "a deluded fool", should be subjected to the vile treatment handed out to him by a large contingent of Blackburn fans.
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They're saying that they haven't tried hard enough or aren't good enough, that is disgraceful.
I agree some of the abuse is way out of order, but fans don't want to hear players and managers saying things like that, well I don't anyway!

ILD OTBC
 
ilovedelia said:
They're saying that they haven't tried hard enough or aren't good enough, that is disgraceful.
I agree some of the abuse is way out of order, but fans don't want to hear players and managers saying things like that, well I don't anyway!

ILD OTBC
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At the end of the season the table doesn't lie. They weren't good enough. I'd rather have honesty than the self-serving tripe dished up most of the time.
 
robbieBB said:
ILD's cynicism about Bradley Orr's interview may or may not be justified. But he also seems to think that there's something wrong with a player who holds his hand up and says "we weren't good enough". I don't see that.
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hence i said he's sort of right. as i say, its hollow words and fans don't want to hear them. i doubt he's lying - i'm sure the players did like working for kean, but the fans don't want or need to hear it when they've just been relegated and spent the season wanting rid of him. i feel a bit sorry for kean - i think he's long been out of his depth but has had to take the brunt of the abuse because of their weasel owners.
 
Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
hence i said he's sort of right. as i say, its hollow words and fans don't want to hear them. i doubt he's lying - i'm sure the players did like working for kean, but the fans don't want or need to hear it when they've just been relegated and spent the season wanting rid of him. i feel a bit sorry for kean - i think he's long been out of his depth but has had to take the brunt of the abuse because of their weasel owners.
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I bet big Sam is Pissing himself with <laugh><laugh><laugh> Now that's what you call a delicious irony..!
 
robbieBB said:
At the end of the season the table doesn't lie. They weren't good enough. I'd rather have honesty than the self-serving tripe dished up most of the time.
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Robbie, sorry again, but what Bradley Orr came out with was "self-serving tripe". To admit that you haven't supported your team/fellow players/fans & manager by not trying or not being good enough and contributing to getting them all relegated is not what I want to hear!

In the spirit of not wanting to have a fight with you, I'm not going to follow up with any more posts, I've made my point, you've made yours and we obviously are not going to agree, I do however respect your right to your point of view. <ok>

ILD OTBC
 
ilovedelia said:
Robbie, sorry again, but what Bradley Orr came out with was "self-serving tripe". To admit that you haven't supported your team/fellow players/fans & manager by not trying or not being good enough and contributing to getting them all relegated is not what I want to hear!

In the spirit of not wanting to have a fight with you, I'm not going to follow up with any more posts, I've made my point, you've made yours and we obviously are not going to agree, I do however respect your right to your point of view. <ok>

ILD OTBC
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<ok> As I said in reply to Superman, you may be right about the Orr interview being self-serving tripe, or I may be right that it was sincere; we can't say for certain one way or another. On the other point about wanting honesty, we obviously do have to agree to differ. But I can claim some sort of first (or maybe second) in that I managed to say something that had ILD and Superman agreeing with one another. <laugh>
 
It is difficult when players are interviewed. Kyle Walker looked completely ill at ease yesterday when being asked about being picked by RH. You could tell he was thinking "I don't know anything about him" whereas he said the usual spiel about hope he dones enough to get noticed and feels he good do a good job and sure RH is a good bloke who will do the best job for England.
I don't honestly know why its part of the deal that managers have to speak to the media directly after the game. I know the news is instant but why don't they let them compose themselves, review the game and then give an honest answer.
 
robbieBB said:
<ok> As I said in reply to Superman, you may be right about the Orr interview being self-serving tripe, or I may be right that it was sincere; we can't say for certain one way or another. On the other point about wanting honesty, we obviously do have to agree to differ. But I can claim some sort of first (or maybe second) in that I managed to say something that had ILD and Superman agreeing with one another. <laugh>
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now now robbie, we only part agreed! <laugh>
 
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