Ched Evans
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A: I have no idea.
B: Even if it were true I am unaware of any law which states that anyone who drinks alcohol is consenting to sex.
Furthermore just because the accused "Claimed" something happened does not mean it was true.
No Dev, this bit (trimmed) from what you posted:
"the Jury believed the woman was incapable of - or simply did not give consent because by this stage she was so drunk as to be beyond giving consent"
They met her in a takeaway after she had stopped drinking, right? So my point is that she can have been no more drunk when Evans walked in than when she gave consent to the first guy. The jury appear to believe that she was more drunk when Evans walked in. How can this be so?
"the Jury believed the woman was incapable of - or simply did not give consent because by this stage she was so drunk as to be beyond giving consent"
They met her in a takeaway after she had stopped drinking, right? So my point is that she can have been no more drunk when Evans walked in than when she gave consent to the first guy. The jury appear to believe that she was more drunk when Evans walked in. How can this be so?
Because the law always takes the female side.
Simple as Im afraid.
Do you think they would believe a guy (in any situation) who was basically comatose?
Simple as Im afraid.
Do you think they would believe a guy (in any situation) who was basically comatose?
u see these sort of girls at charlton hanging outside the players entrance when they all come out saying like bardley can have a photo heres my number etc etc etc then when the footballer says no thanks after they cry rape surely the police should be looking at all these girls who hang outside clubs just so a footballer comming into that bar or cafe
Yes, and the Jury did not believe his version of events. They heard the whole case, heard all the evidence and were in a better position than you or I to make a call. I'm not saying he's defintely guilty, all i'm saying is that it's very very difficult to get a rape conviction so the evidence that we have not heard or seen (that the jury did) must have been compelling.
I see no reason to believe that they made the wrong call.
No, "one of them" met her in the takeaway, Evans turned up at the Hotel after a text messsage, just so we are clear.
So are you telling me that as soon as you stop drinking you immediately start sobering up? Have you ever actually drunk alchohol?
You seem to be being deliberately stupid - to try and keep this debate going for your own reasons - or you are just thick, either way i will just stop talking to you now as it would be pointless to continue.
"Mr McDonald claimed that Evans asked if he could get involved, while Evans said it was Mr McDonald who asked him if he wanted to have sex with the woman".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ales-clayton-mcdonald-is-cleared-7665609.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ales-clayton-mcdonald-is-cleared-7665609.html
And everyone reacts differently to alcohol, plus the victim had cocaine and another drug in her system.
The jury was told that hotel receptionist Gary Burrough was aware of two other males waiting outside the hotel and went to investigate.
"They were at the window of room 14 watching, as it transpired, what these defendants were doing to that girl," Mr Philpotts said.
"Mr Burrough went to check what was happening in room 14. It was not difficult to guess. He heard the sound of a female squealing and groaning."
Evans and McDonald, both aged 23, admit having sex with the woman but deny raping her.
The court heard that McDonald went to the hotel reception after the incident and left saying: "You know that girl I was with? Keep an eye on her. She's sick."
The prosecutor said: "At least Clayton McDonald showed a degree of concern.
"Chedwyn Evans was less concerned about her welfare but equally aware of her condition and what he had done.
"He left by a fire exit so that he did not have to pass through the reception area and risk being seen by a member of staff."
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16206704
"They were at the window of room 14 watching, as it transpired, what these defendants were doing to that girl," Mr Philpotts said.
"Mr Burrough went to check what was happening in room 14. It was not difficult to guess. He heard the sound of a female squealing and groaning."
Evans and McDonald, both aged 23, admit having sex with the woman but deny raping her.
The court heard that McDonald went to the hotel reception after the incident and left saying: "You know that girl I was with? Keep an eye on her. She's sick."
The prosecutor said: "At least Clayton McDonald showed a degree of concern.
"Chedwyn Evans was less concerned about her welfare but equally aware of her condition and what he had done.
"He left by a fire exit so that he did not have to pass through the reception area and risk being seen by a member of staff."
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16206704
I like to think anyone with a degree of empathy would try and imagine how they would feel towards Mr Evans had he been convicted of this heinous crime if it was their sister/daughter who was the victim.
I doubt they would be as sympathetic towards this horrible **** of a man.
But if it was your daughter or sister would your opinion regarding his innocence or guilt be different?
What's the point in asking something like this?
You may as well say, "But if you were massively biased towards one side, would you still feel the same way?".
If Evans was your brother or son, would you feel that this was a reliable verdict, considering that McDonald was acquitted?