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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by stopmeandslapme, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    2,3+4 are opinions really, unless you've spoken to the Chelsea players. Even if they wee facts, they're all negative and derogatory. So why mention 5 in the same post, unless you also think it is negative to be Jewish?
     
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    are they fan? chelsea aren't that yiddish, tottenham aren't really, but they just embrace it cos so many people take the piss
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    why are they negative and derogatory?

    The yid comment was linked to RA's links to Israel and his investment into Israeli football

    Do you have a problem with yids?
     
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  4. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Sorry Fan, but someone who doesn't see how important Rooney is to United either doesn't know football, or is in denial because they don't like him. I would guess the latter, evidenced by your 'even scored in open play' comment about a player who has scored against most of the top sides in Europe in open play.
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    My understanding is there were more Jews around chelsea than spurs

    you are right re adopting a piss take

    RA has massive connections to Israel and especially Israeli football, hence the whole Avram Grant appointment etc
     
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  6. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    You're being silly now Fan. It's obvious that the whole post is a rant against Chelsea. You even started by saying 'I say fuck Chelsea' and it's not like you to swear.

    I have no problem with Jewish people. Have I mentioned them in a pejorative sense at any point?
     
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    I didnt say he hasnt been or isnt important to UTD. In fact his role for UTD has been at times important.
    However I have never bought into the hype over rooney and I think he isnt in the top 5 in the prem never mind the world

    Think back to when he and tevez were at UTD, we got shot of tevez and kept rooney and it was at the time the right decision. Now not so

    You are correct in that he has scored against top sides in europe, but I believe a) it is going to be less regular and b) with the supply we create he shouldnt go through his barren patches

    Sort a decent midfield and rooneys role becomes redundant, as there are better strikers than him and definately better midfielders. UTD fans who seee him as a potential midfielder are the ones who know nothing of football
     
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    you seem very hung up on it
     
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  9. Trypsin-1

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    possibly, Chelsea/Fulham is much more posh than Tottenham, Chelsea has the highest life expectancy in the UK or something <laugh>

    the big ethnic minority in Tottenham is African-Carribean, that's what it's really known for where as the area of Chelsea is almost 80% white! where as Tottenham is reported as the most multi-cultural place in Europe or something
     
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  10. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    He is obviously top 5 in the PL. He is the best player at United and we are top of the league.

    It is still the right decision that we got rid of Tevez. Could we have done without our main strikers since September if he'd pulled the same stunt he has done at City? I cain't believe anyone still regrets not having him after all his messing about.

    He hasn't really had any barren patches this season. And why will he score less goals against the top teams, what is that based on?

    Better strikers? Strikers score goals, not many score more than Rooney. RVP only this season, and this is the first season he's outscored him. Obviously there are better midfielders out there, but he's not a midfielder.
     
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    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Nah, just messing with you. Everyone knows you don't like Jews. Now I see why you dislike Chelsea too. Off to sleep now any way, up early in the morning <ok>
     
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  12. Trypsin-1

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    Who does? <whistle>
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    I think the impact of rooney and his 'contract negotiations' was as big as tevez at city, you dont see saf in tears too often

    Also IMO the impact on the Pogba et al negotiations are down to some of that

    For me goals are not the be all and end all of everything. Put a carroll or Torres in the current UTD squad and their numbers would be bigger, in terms of goals scored due to our style of play. We create a lot of chances, against blackburn valencia alone put in 15 crosses that were not met by any of our strikers, rooney wasnt even in the box. Hence the substitutions in the last couple of games

    I base my lack of goals on the current rooney (not the past and not the one he will be next season etc if he improves). Basically the current rooney makes up a 5 man midfield against the top teams, due to whatever it is that is ailing him currently, he just doesnt get into the box and keep up with play. at times the likes of Evans are further ahead than him. He seems to lack the energy/pace. It may simple be him being knackered.
    Hence my comment about him 'even' scoring against villa from open play. He was in the box

    IMO I would put the likes of RVP, Drogba, Aguerro, Tevez and even Suarez ahead of rooney in the prem currently as better strikers. Not necesarily in terms of goals scored but overall play. Pace, strength, passing, hold up play, dribbling, skill etc
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    dont like jews? according to some I am one

    I dont dislike CFC. Dont really buy into the 'hating' of clubs due to rivalry, just dont like the behaviour of the current CFC players and believe that fans are being ripped off

    Also for someone who like sto pay attention to spelling, grammar and such surely you know the 'difference' between yids and jews?
     
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    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Firstly, Fergie wasn't in tears. Where did you see that? Yes, he looked gutted, but his eyes were dry. As for the Rooney situation being as bad as the Tevez one, how do you figure that? United still won the league last season, chances are, City WON'T win it this time. It's obviously had a worse affect on them.

    Not sure about the Pogba situation. We got rid of that Serbian kid Ljajic who was meant to be the next big thing a couple of years back in similar circumstances, before the Rooney saga.

    As for Torres/Carroll, don't be ridiculous. Torres is a spent force at the moment. He's not even a good finisher any more. Carroll is a donkey who's been found out.

    Maybe Rooney is tired. How many would he score if he wasn't though?

    Drogba is well past his best and rarely produces now. Tevez is a liability. Suarez doesn't score nearly enough goals for a striker. Aguero looks class, but one swallow does not a summer make. RVP will probably be back on the treatment table next season and score no more than 15 goals as is customary.

    Whatever the difference between Yids and Jews (and I think they are the same thing to most people), it's got nothing to do with spelling or grammar. Semantics maybe.



    As for the whole PL demise/La Liga ascendancy business, I think people forget the following:

    -3 PL semi-finalists in 3 consecutive years (07,08,09)
    -PL finalists in 5 consecutive years (05,06,07,08,09)
    -2 PL winners in last 8 years
    -PL finalist last year.

    All in the last decade. Compares favourably with LL I believe. Plus all Spain's dominance has been down to one club, not so with the PL. All these "La Liga is streets ahead comments" were being made about the PL up until the meteoric rise of Pep Guardiola's Barca 3 short years ago.
     
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    Get a room you pair of ****s ffs...
     
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    It's over two legs ...

    So, in reality, they have won a half!

    They will get raped in the Camp Nou ...
     
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  19. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    You implied that the difference between Yids and Jews was a question of spelling/grammar. You've forgotten your original point AGAIN.

    Stick to arguing politics and religion Fan. Your knowledge of football isn't up to scratch I'm afraid.
     
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    Very probably, but according to Eddie we were going to get ****ed last night, would have had to score two goals to win the game, Barca nailed onto score, he'd just put £200 down at 5-2 for a Barca win etc and so on...it was amazingly good to get a victory against one of the worlds best teams, but even better to listen to that ****er change his tune as the game went on<laugh>
     
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