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remembercolinlee

remembercolinlee

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Imagine managing spurs...the club have just come out of a tough couple of years which has seen an ex arsenal bloke as our manager and a higher profile loss of players including to arsenal. We seemed to have turned the corner with a semi decent season and then it goes tits up big time.
Yet fans and board stick by the manager.
Then we get relegated...and still the manager stays.
Spurs then almost balls up promotion but scrape through on the last game of the season...we then suffer a 7 nil loss and a 5 nil home loss to the gooners as we struggle back in the top division.
It takes us three matches to get past a non league team in the cup and still we keep faith in the manager...then after4 ****e years we click and 2 fa cups, a uefa cup, top 3 finishes and a milk cup final later Kieth burkingshaw is retiring and regarded as a legend.
Today he would never have been given the time...shows thatetc money ain't only ruined players ... fans too are becoming less patient and loyal to players and managers.
 
am i supposed to be forever content with Harry Redknapp?

can i not see problems and then as a fan try to give my reasoning thus creating a debate?

or shall i just watch what goes on with our team and wear my '2 points from 8 games' T shirt so i never forget what Harry did?

how about the era you refer to was probably an era in which players and managers were just as loyal to a club..now you wave some wonga and their heads are turned...loyalty,my friend, works both ways..when it works one way then someone will just look like a mug.....and usually thats us the fans.

i want what is best for my club....i want to e able to have a 2 way dialogue not just..HR is right and we must follow...in all my points/rants about Harry there is one common denominator....and that is that i dont belive that with this squad that we have found ourselves blessed with due to hard work that began before Harry came...that we are doing our club justice with regards to the success..yes we have had epic moments and reached shores we never reached before..thanks to Harry and his management..but we still have not reached any form of a pinnacle or even sniffed at it because we fold when that opportunity arises......and for me ultimatly the success of my club is what matters..i am not content with just making up numbers and why should i be or the rest of us?

and neither was Bill Nicholson.


why is it ok for us to watch managers and players be critical of fans
why is it ok for us to watch MOTD and sky etc and watch ex players rip current teams apart?

yet when a loyal hard working fan who contributes to the clubs finances be it by being a season tickeet holder or less then he or she is seen as 'fickle'...yet come the next 5 to 10 years how many of our current superstars will we still have? i dont know but i know that me and you will still be here wether we are a top 3 club or in league 1.
 
the one overiding fact in all this is harry is the manager,it looks like until the end of the season,so we should get behind him and the team until then,cheer them on and we should be able to beat the chavs.At the moment this board is getting like the gooners one with the fors and against having their say,which is o.k at the end of the season.until then like it or not,let's get behind the team
 
totsfan said:
the one overiding fact in all this is harry is the manager,it looks like until the end of the season,so we should get behind him and the team until then,cheer them on and we should be able to beat the chavs.At the moment this board is getting like the gooners one with the fors and against having their say,which is o.k at the end of the season.until then like it or not,let's get behind the team
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oh im behind him Totsfan..ill cheer him on because he represents my club..but i wont blindly follow and think that whatever he does is gospel...i will be singing his praises if he can tactically outhink the chavs next week...i dont 'hate' harry etc..i just believe that he cant take us onto the next level...i.e serious contention for the league...or am i dreaming? am i as a Spurs fan not allowed to have such notions? if not then why not? everything else is in place surely with the squad we have...plus a few more.

just like 3 years ago we were over the moon we won the Carling but now we send out weak squads..the club must think it has evolved.


Pienaar is the best example to date of Harry and his ego.
 
i'm with you on that he can't take us to the next level,but we have him to the end of the season so why waste energy now on him,use it to back the team
 
I agree with this article :)

There will be short term disappointment for me if we lose out on the top 4 but looking back I will be grateful for how well Redknapp got our team playing, because I have seen some **** at the Lane before.
 
I think we have to look at arrys career overall and today I had a wee thought as to why arry excels in certain situations but not others, as he seems to be fantastic at getting a team to punch above their weight or when faced with a team that needs to be galvanized.

Ask yourself this, if we wasn't hammered in the first two games this season, would we have gone on such a great run of form? i actually now have my doubts.

This isn't to say arry doesn't have his qualities, as he does and ive never wanted a manager to succeed as much as arry with ourselves yet im now starting to see more of his limatiations and it does cause me some concern.

Many have said this squad, regardless of who is managing it (unless its a ramos or someone who really screws up) just needs to be managed in a simple way and they will be 4th/5th and it would take someone with abit of nous to get us further.

Now, at the minute, its difficult to disagree as really its pointing to the fact that arry really does have his limitations as a manager and they tend to show when we need the team to push on at the business end of the season.

If arry is in charge next season, I won't be annoyed but i won't have any real expectations or confidence in the team but then arry thrives doesn't he, chips are down, people doubting him and the team and he manages to rise above it!

So what does that say for the remaining games? as everyone is doubting us, yet who has taken us to this position? arry? and thats the key point, he cant turn it round but i want him to and want to be proved wrong yet ive lost all confidence in this team/manager.
 
i like the way you look at this Boss..and id love it if you are right.

however i think that mentality is inbred in Harry because he has always been in charge of mediocre teams..therefore he must get them to punch above their weight.

We are Spurs not West Ham...he is manager of a club with good finances...good chairman and a very high calibre of players.....we have tried to set up as a club to compete with the best not to try to be the underdogs...yes we have gt a long way to go before we are top tier...but we wont get there if the management only livens up when its a 'us against the world' attitude...no wonder we cant usually beat the so called 'poorer teams'...its because we are not underdogs in these situations and he cant motivate us to believe that we should destroy these teams.

im afraid that is a losers attitude....he should not go beyond QPR if that is the height of his ambition.


however i hope this siege mentality works from now on in.
 
Redknapp's pissed me off this season for three reasons.
The first is his dealings with the media, which never would have been an issue in the past.
The second is his failure to learn from previous mistakes or accept any responsibility for those mistakes.
The last is his total lack of loyalty, following the enormous backing that he received from the club, the chairman and the fans, while he was going through damaging court case.

The game has changed, the fans have changed and the managers have changed.
If Redknapp had been charged with the same offences 30 years ago, then he'd have been sacked on the spot, regardless of whether he was guilty or not.
 
The two major things that have always grated with me are (a) Harry's inability to keep his trap shut, and (b) his mis-handling of our youngsters.

On the one hand, he clearly comes across as a very strict disciplinarian, sometimes too Victorian for my liking, and yet he doesn't think twice about blabbing to the media that "Modric will go if £ity offer him £200k a week" when no one at £ity has mentioned that kind of money, and would be dumped on from a very great height by the FA for tapping-up should they ever do so. In latter weeks, his tactical ineptness has also begun to get to me, and his attempt to side-step any blame by referring to unnamed sources influencing his decisions is, quite frankly, beyond pathetic.

I'm sorry, but this cannot go on. He has permitted himself to be distracted by the promise of the England job, and is using us as nothing more than a safety-net, in case the FA decided to appoint someone else (which they may well do, now that he has balls-ed things up for us). As a long-standing and die-hard fan of this club, I find that extremely discourteous, if not downright offensive.

Some of you, I am sure, will see things differently to me, as is your right. But, please, let me have the right to express my opinions, even if they are fueled by my current frustrations than by rational argument.
 
Why don't you recommend it to your own mob then, Lidls?
Warnock's currently managing your old friends Leeds, anyway.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Redknapp's pissed me off this season for three reasons.
The first is his dealings with the media, which never would have been an issue in the past.
The second is his failure to learn from previous mistakes or accept any responsibility for those mistakes.
The last is his total lack of loyalty, following the enormous backing that he received from the club, the chairman and the fans, while he was going through damaging court case.

The game has changed, the fans have changed and the managers have changed.
If Redknapp had been charged with the same offences 30 years ago, then he'd have been sacked on the spot, regardless of whether he was guilty or not.
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Totally this! :emoticon-0148-yes:

But I also think that it is far too late in the season for change and as such I am going to revert to 'blind support' mode for the next 5 weeks!!
 
I'm not saying that he should be sacked, Relayer.
What would be the point?

He probably should've taken the England job when it became available, though and the FA totally screwed us with their poncing about.
I won't be that bothered if he takes it in the summer either, unless we bring in someone ****ing useless or totally hateworthy.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I'm not saying that he should be sacked, Relayer.
What would be the point?

He probably should've taken the England job when it became available, though and the FA totally screwed us with their poncing about.
I won't be that bothered if he takes it in the summer either, unless we bring in someone ****ing useless or totally hateworthy.
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Neither was I - the comment was about change of (his) tactics. Just saying that I will go with whatever the management team choose for the next few weeks.
 
Trouble is, though, that he keeps on making the same mistakes. I could forgive him if there was any attempt to correct past errors, but he seems to delight in stubbornly sticking with the same tactics that have failed him before.
 
we shall all pull out every strand of hair on our heads if we try to figure Harry's logic out HIAG.
 
The responses have been interesting to read.

I wasnt trying to condemn any and all criticism I was more intereste& in fans of all clubs that lash out after a few results.

Look how long Roy Evans was given by fans....the Blackburn manager...wonder how long before MON is 'nit able to take us further' as happened at villa?
I think debate always happened in the playground, in work, in tge pub and at the ground but now it just mainly seems condemning and shallow. I think thatmaybe the money players and managers get is a reason, maybe cos fans are taken for granted, cos phone INS and the net encourage 'controversial' responses...or maybe I am really just an ol bastard <laugh>
 
remembercolinlee said:
The responses have been interesting to read.

I wasnt trying to condemn any and all criticism I was more intereste& in fans of all clubs that lash out after a few results.

Look how long Roy Evans was given by fans....the Blackburn manager...wonder how long before MON is 'nit able to take us further' as happened at villa?
I think debate always happened in the playground, in work, in tge pub and at the ground but now it just mainly seems condemning and shallow. I think thatmaybe the money players and managers get is a reason, maybe cos fans are taken for granted, cos phone INS and the net encourage 'controversial' responses...or maybe I am really just an ol bastard <laugh>
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could be a bit of both <laugh>
 
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