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Discussion in 'Rangers' started by Girvan Loyal 1690, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    Aren't these bids being put together to avoid cva and liquidation

    Remember, its the best deal for the creditors....not rangers
     
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  2. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Nope. They're put together to get us out of administration via CVA or liquidation. No **** is gonny stroll up, pay off all the creditors, and say right let's play fitba.

    If we liquidate, the creditors get **** all. If a deal can be reached with the creditors to get something of what they're owed that's a CVA.
     
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  3. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Just reported on BBC Radio Scotland that the Singapore bidders are saying they are going the CVA route and do not want to liquidate.

    So at the moment it's:

    CVA - The BK's and the Singapore consortium.

    Liquidation - The germans and US mobs. I'm assuming this as it was already reported that at least two of the bidders were favouring the liquidation route and these ****s haven't said anything yet.
     
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  4. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    so why did the admins say all bids were positive?
     
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  5. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Dunno. I could guess and say that as liquidation and newco is a way out of admin they see it as positive?
     
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  6. Go G YellowScreen

    Go G YellowScreen Well-Known Member

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    Why are the identities of the other three bidders such a secret?
     
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  7. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    I suspect the other three bidders are little more than timmy black ops. <grr>
     
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  8. Magic Laudrup 11

    Magic Laudrup 11 Well-Known Member
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    Craig Whyte, Craig Whytes dad and a consortium of Craig Whyte and his dad
     
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  9. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    The Singapore mob are a group of Celtic fans
     
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  10. Tina_old

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    The Thai Tims?
     
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  11. Go G YellowScreen

    Go G YellowScreen Well-Known Member

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    Pea and Ham fae a chicken? Now that's clever!
     
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  12. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    I'm no kerrydale accountant so don't understand much but I've a few questions

    Can ownership of a company be passed about if it is still in administration?

    Is it within the rights of the administration team to sell a company or is it still up to the owner of the company?

    Can the creditors block a takeover as they have claims to the assets?

    Shouldn't the administrators call in the liquidators if the best option is a sale to someone who plans to liquidate anyway?
     
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  13. Tina_old

    Tina_old Princess

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    :laugh:
     
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  14. Fabulous Fabio

    Fabulous Fabio Well-Known Member

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    We already knew that wee sacks
     
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  15. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <yikes> <laugh>.
     
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  16. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Short answer. Dunno. All I'm basically doing is posting what is being reported and my understanding of it.
     
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  17. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    What RTC has to say on the prospect of a CVA being granted:-


    Many point to the logic of &#8220;something is better than nothing&#8221;. This might be true, but this situation is more complex. If Channel 4s reports are correct and Rangers directors were engaging in activities such as document shredding, it will mean that ill-will to the club will stretch back further than just the arrival of Craig Whyte.

    If Rangers have been involved in a decade of persistent lying to the government, it could make a deal difficult. A pennies on the pound deal for such a company would signal that paying taxes in-full and on-time is for mugs; the smart money takes advantage of every dubious scheme going and pays a tiny amount even if caught. There is an issue of &#8216;moral hazard&#8217; in letting Rangers get off lightly.



    He's been right so far but who knows?
     
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  18. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Sounds more wishful than anything else to me. He wants additional punishment on a company getting out of admin via CVA just because it's Rangers. Moral hazard? Aye, Rangers are the first company to get themselves in the **** and get out via CVA so let's hang them out to dry as a warning to every other company.
     
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  19. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    Whichever way you look at it, getting a CVA is not paying your dues.

    They're set up so that creditors can claw back at least some of the money they're due rather than bugger all if a company goes tits up.

    All fair enough.

    However, if a sports team uses a CVA, aren't they just essentially not paying their debts? The intention of a CVA is to benefit the creditors who, otherwise, would end up substantially out of pocket.

    In the corinthian spirit, they certainly shouldn't be allowed to compete against other sports clubs that have honoured their financial pledges.

    It most certainly isn't a level playing field. A CVA should be for the benefit of creditors - using it as a way to avoid paying your debts is, at best, immoral and, at worst (in a sporting institution) unfair.
     
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  20. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    What's to stop the likes of Hearts and Kilmarnock, both of whom have huge debt, of going down the same road?
     
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