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ncfcwonky

ncfcwonky

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I usually ignore moments of bad sportsmanship when a player dives as they are usually booked. But, when I saw Carroll's dive on MOTD 2 yesterday I was absolutely outraged!

Why fall down when there is plenty of space in front of you to regain your composure and score into an empty net? He had an opportunity to justify his large fee in front of his former club and he completely messed it up. He could have had a goal against his former club and Liverpool could have gone on to win the game.

Torres' £50mill fee when he first moved to Chelsea was perhaps justified, but £35mill for Carroll was a huge mistake. I know Carroll has had a bad time in front of goal for Liverpool, as has Torres for Chelsea but at least Torres tries and he appears to have now turned a corner.

As another poster said on this forum following Muamba's cardiac arrest, players such as Carroll and Drogba need to stop play acting - looking like they have a serious injury then shortly afterwards running around like nothing happened.

I would like to see a lot less cheating in football. If rugby can manage it, so can football. Players need to take a leaf out of fellow professionals in football, such as Arshavin pointing to the corner flag when he tripped and fell resulting in the referee awarding a peanlty, and in many other sports.
 
ncfcwonky said:
I usually ignore moments of bad sportsmanship when a player dives as they are usually booked. But, when I saw Carroll's dive on MOTD 2 yesterday I was absolutely outraged!

Why fall down when there is plenty of space in front of you to regain your composure and score into an empty net? He had an opportunity to justify his large fee in front of his former club and he completely messed it up.

Torres' £50mill fee when he first moved to Chelsea was perhaps justified, but £35mill for Carroll was a huge mistake. I know Carroll has had a bad time in front of goal for Liverpool, as has Torres for Chelsea but at least Torres tries and he appears to have now turned a corner.

As another poster said on this forum following Muamba's cardiac arrest, players such as Carroll and Drogba need to stop play acting - looking like they have a serious injury then shortly afterwards running around like nothing happened.

I would like to see a lot less cheating in football. If rugby can manage it, so can football. Players need to take a leaf out of fellow professionals in football, such as Arshavin pointing to the corner flag when he tripped and fell resulting in the referee awarding a peanlty, and in many other sports.
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Problem is that cheats do prosper in many situations e.g Maradonna -The Hand of God,Thierry Henry - against Ireland
Ronaldo-Portugal v England - getting Rooney sent off. The only way to try to eliminate it is introduce the Sin Bin and send the cheats off, if they get caught, for 15 mins.Retrospective punishment if found guilty after the game as they do in rugby might also help.

Problem with this , is that you need people with "balls" to set this up ,and our game is run by eunuchs. <steam><steam>
 
The BBC commentator really stuck the boot into him but the panel didn't really have much to say - then again they never do. Carroll is a ****ing idiot, so glad to be rid of him, still makes me laugh so hard that Liverpool paid £35million for him. Thirty five million quid! Hahaha.
 
I'm not really bothered by cheating, it's part of the game - like fouling, mind games, etc.

What was stoopid about Carroll's actions was that he had skillfully worked himself into a goalscoring position, through powerful forward play, and then he dived. He was just daft.
 
yarco canary said:
Problem is that cheats do prosper in many situations e.g Maradonna -The Hand of God,Thierry Henry - against Ireland
Ronaldo-Portugal v England - getting Rooney sent off. The only way to try to eliminate it is introduce the Sin Bin and send the cheats off, if they get caught, for 15 mins.Retrospective punishment if found guilty after the game as they do in rugby might also help.

Problem with this , is that you need people with "balls" to set this up ,and our game is run by eunuchs. <steam><steam>
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Spot on Yarco. Put them on report and after the game let them have a look at it. Nobody wants to watch a game with seven a side so hit them after the game and ban them. Not a fan of the sin bin because in rugby the refs bottle it by sin binning for violence instead of what it is meant for i.e. persistent infringing.
That way Carroll, Reina and Perch would be banned for at least a game. Perch thinks he's a tough defender tripping up a keeper but is poleaxed by nothing more than anger by Reina.
 
redruthyella said:
Spot on Yarco. Put them on report and after the game let them have a look at it. Nobody wants to watch a game with seven a side so hit them after the game and ban them. Not a fan of the sin bin because in rugby the refs bottle it by sin binning for violence instead of what it is meant for i.e. persistent infringing.
That way Carroll, Reina and Perch would be banned for at least a game. Perch thinks he's a tough defender tripping up a keeper but is poleaxed by nothing more than anger by Reina.
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The only reason I like the sin bin is that the team who has been on the receiving end of cheating gets the benefit of playing against a team with 10 men for 15 mins or so.

Although I agree with retrospective justice the perpetrators can still field a full 11 for the next game.

No ideal answer I know , but surely the sin bin has got to be worth a try. <confused>
 
yarco canary said:
The only reason I like the sin bin is that the team who has been on the receiving end of cheating gets the benefit of playing against a team with 10 men for 15 mins or so.

Although I agree with retrospective justice the perpetrators can still field a full 11 for the next game.

No ideal answer I know , but surely the sin bin has got to be worth a try. <confused>
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I also think that a sin bin would be interesting for specific offences. It also takes a bit of pressure off the ref's as any mistakes would not be so punishing for the whole match and maybe it would allow them to be a bit braver earlier in games. How many really bad tackles get lightly punished in the first 10 minutes of a game when the same tackle in the last 10 would more likely reslut in a card.

My reservation would be that the during the sin bin period the team with 10 would be restored to full strength once a they concede a goal (unless the offence relates to a penalty as this would make it meaningless).
 
I think we need to stop the media making up the rules, you know what I'm talking about, "I've watched it 53 times and his bootlace was within 2 foot of the keeper, it's a penalty"! That Andy Carroll incident, what the f**k was he doing? Then we have Dalgish trying to say he was stumbling, so we have to watch 500 replays of the incident while Shearer and his band of grinning twats LOOK at it. He should have been sent off because that's what he was trying to do to Krul. Then last night we had Jason Roberts on 606 trying to say there was an element of Professionalism in the incident between Reina & Perch. Professionalism!!!! they haven't got a clue what that word means, it was two footballers cheating and fouling.
Can we just watch the game, come up with our own conclusions and leave it at that? After all if these pundits were as clever and clued up as they would have us believe then why aren't they managing top premiership teams. They're all TWATS!

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I can't remember who suggested it but how about divers have to play in flippers for the rest of the game?
 
Perch's reaction after he had been "Headbutted" by Reina was a disgrace and should also be seen as blatant cheating! Nearly as bad as Rivaldo in the 2002 world cup! Minimal contact yet he went down as if he had been shot.
 
ncfcwonky said:
I usually ignore moments of bad sportsmanship when a player dives as they are usually booked. But, when I saw Carroll's dive on MOTD 2 yesterday I was absolutely outraged!

Why fall down when there is plenty of space in front of you to regain your composure and score into an empty net? He had an opportunity to justify his large fee in front of his former club and he completely messed it up. He could have had a goal against his former club and Liverpool could have gone on to win the game.

Torres' £50mill fee when he first moved to Chelsea was perhaps justified, but £35mill for Carroll was a huge mistake. I know Carroll has had a bad time in front of goal for Liverpool, as has Torres for Chelsea but at least Torres tries and he appears to have now turned a corner.

As another poster said on this forum following Muamba's cardiac arrest, players such as Carroll and Drogba need to stop play acting - looking like they have a serious injury then shortly afterwards running around like nothing happened.

I would like to see a lot less cheating in football. If rugby can manage it, so can football. Players need to take a leaf out of fellow professionals in football, such as Arshavin pointing to the corner flag when he tripped and fell resulting in the referee awarding a peanlty, and in many other sports.
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Harsh on Drogba, he is a hypochondriac admittedly but when has he ever dived to gain a penalty or an advantage in the same way Rooney or Gerrard have?
 
yarco canary said:
Problem is that cheats do prosper in many situations e.g Maradonna -The Hand of God,Thierry Henry - against Ireland
Ronaldo-Portugal v England - getting Rooney sent off. The only way to try to eliminate it is introduce the Sin Bin and send the cheats off, if they get caught, for 15 mins.Retrospective punishment if found guilty after the game as they do in rugby might also help.

Problem with this , is that you need people with "balls" to set this up ,and our game is run by eunuchs. <steam><steam>
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Good point. But what made Carroll's dive worse was that he had a great opportunity to score whether or not he was off balance or not. If not he had loads of time to adjust himself then score.

Why cheat? Also, why cheat when there is a perfect opportunity to score with diving and getting a penalty?
 
If the PFA was a closed shop, then a fellow member who tries to get a fellow member sent off etc could be suspended or kicked out by the PFA and then they couldn't ply their cheating ways in this country.
 
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