Yes, spot on Fran. If people are using language which they don't think is offensive and are then told that it is, then it would just be rude to continue its use. Of course, the Daily Mail et al has always loved knocking this by inventing straw men to demolish. "We can't use the word manhole anymore." And my all time favourite, "the homosexuals have stolen the word "gay" from us!", a word which no-one had used for about 50 years in any case! So, for it be to racist, the intention has to be there, or the continued use when told about the offence caused, which amounts to the same thing.
1)Probably due to the fact that there are a lot more white people in the crowd, shouting abuse at players on the pitch.(including black players). Racially motivated attacks are proportonally more prevalent against white people(considering the small percentage of non-white population). For a small section of society the non-white population manages to carry out an impressive level of hate crime.
Any way I think we have covered the Race card pretty well, even if we have not cured the problem we have at least drawn attention to it, which is part of the battle. If race doesn't ring your bell, how about some religious discrimination? (Heaven forbid).
even if this was true (and it isn't), it still wouldn't matter. the total amount of racial abuse suffered by white people in this country (and all over the world tbh) pales into insignificance compared with the racial abuse suffered by people of other races. this doesn't excuse racism by anybody, but it does mean that you have to understand racism directed against non-white people in a different context. this isn't difficult to grasp, but i'm always amazed by the hoops people will jump through to try and defend this barmy idea that everyone is equally affected by racism. hi to all, btw. i've been reading and enjoying this forum all season but perversely decided that this would be a good thread to make my first posts on. i guess i like arguing
How would you know the exact figures for racial crime?. To me it seems you are only 'white' bashing. So your telling me the white africans getting killed by black africans isn't as bad?. Around the world it isn't really about race any more it's religion hence the muslims killing christians etc off in many african countrys. (This is black on black btw) To me racism is racism no matter what race says it to the other. To label one sort of racism different is madness. It is all the same in the end.
i'm not bashing anybody (apart from racists). i've already agreed with you several times that all racism is bad. all i've been trying to explain is that not all racist statements carry an equal amount of power. in a country where most people are white, a racist statement against a non-white person needs to be understood in a different context from a racist statement against a white person. this isn't rocket science. for the record i also don't approve of people killing each other because of their religion. i'm against killing, generally.
In some areas of the uk which I have said already. White people are the minority, so how do's that work in your views?.
those areas still exist within a national culture which is dominated by white people. you have to try really, really hard to feel discriminated against as a white person in the uk.
No, its "differentiation" or "affirmative action" or "positive discrimination" or more accurately, "hypocrisy". As for saying racially motivated crime against white people "wouldn't matter" compared with the same against non-whites...speechless! As for the high proportion(per head) of racial crimes against white people not being true; it is according to the British Crime Survey and the Home Office,2004/05. (analysed 2008) Apparently the majority of racial crime was against white people. Explained by the CRE as being due to the overwhelming numbers of whites in the population. However, the number of victims of racist violence should be proportionate to the size of the offenders' ethnic group(s), not to the size of the victims' group. The vast majority of racial crime victims SHOULD be non-white(statistically). Can't we all agree that ALL forms of racism are wrong, and can never be "positive" or less wrong than others?
That's not the point tho, Just because as a nation there are more white people. Dosn't mean a white person can not be discriminated against in a mainly black/asian community.
I think there is a big mix up as to what people deem as being racialist. A lot have commented on here on the fact they seem to think racialism as about black versus white. This is only the tip of the ice berg in reality. Chinese are not black or in fact the Japanese the Koreans or the Russia's. Yet a lot of these nations suffer a lot of racial abuse. (I am not talking about Mother Russia by the way more it's old satellite country's) Russia is probably a lot worse at racial abuse than many countries mind you they would call it nationalism. Which then opens another can of worms. Reality, Racialism is not as straight forward as you think!!
I was just giving white /black as a example. I have been to Russia and it's basically if you are not russian born you get frowned opon. They can just about tolerate white people from of countries, but if you any other race I wouldn't go there tbh.
we can all agree that racial prejudice is wrong in all its forms. however, in the real world, different prejudices carry greater or lesser power depending on annoying things like history and the relative social status of the individual or group that holds them. you might call affirmative action 'hypocrisy,' i call it a perfectly reasonable attempt to level the playing field and correct decades of discrimination against minority groups.
I didn't do anything to anyone, decades ago. Why should I be discriminated against now? Should you be prosecuted for any crimes your father may have committed? EVERYONE should be given the same legal status and rights. Anything else is just social politicking. My ancestors were rural agricultural workers. They made no fortune from others' misery. They probably suffered enough themselves! I don't feel responsible for the Atlantic slave trade, anymore than a person of African descent should feel responsible for the black people who sold the traders the slaves.
