Black Football Managers - 'Rooney Rule'

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Is the 'Rooney Rule' a good idea?

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Hugh Briss

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17161074

What a stupid stance - perhaps only once this daft idea has been realised, we will finally see the ultimate in 'token black man' from football clubs in their management appointment.

It's a farce.

I'm pretty sure any manager would want to be considered purely on the merits of his management ability and not be a mandatory inclusion because of the colour of his skin.

Totally and utterly pathetic.
 
Got to agree!

There is NOTHING stopping top black players doing their top coaching badges. From there, if they're good enough, they'll make it. In terms of racial prejudice, England leads the way for me (despite Liverpool's best efforts) but you can go TOO far...Positive discrimination is discrimination full stop!
 
"It is very encouraging that Terry Connor has been given this chance by Wolves. It is exactly the same way that Chris Hughton came to the fore at Newcastle. As the players' voice, we are committed to tackling the issue of black players going into coaching and management."

Whilst I fully understand the reasoning behind an idea like this, you have to say that it's very silly.

How patronising would it be to have a candidate included in the process purely because of his ethnicity?

It's a complete nonsense from my perspective - the best people should always be interviewed, including somebody on the list because you have to is stupidity.

Where will all this end?

Perhaps we should have the 'Hope Powell' rule - where every club must include a 'minority female candidate'? <doh>
 
Disgraceful. The effect of this is that a white manager could be excluded from the shortlist because of the colour of their skin. How is that equality?
 
This stance is completely racist in itself and should be very offensive.

"It is very encouraging that Terry Connor has been given this chance by Wolves."

He actually makes it sound like "the black man" should be grateful and feel lucky enough to get a PL managers job. It's beggars belief.

And, as AG points out, the moment you shortlist an ethnic candidate, you're having to potentially omit a white candidate who could have done the job better, and if that did happen, it would be just as racist.
 
Had to check it was not called the Looney rule.

More suits coming up with good idea's highlighting issues that are not really there.
 
Something needs to be done, believe Newcastle are the only team currently in the PL to have appointed more than one black manager. Most clubs in the league have never appointed a black manager bit of a sad state of affairs.
 
Something needs to be done, believe Newcastle are the only team currently in the PL to have appointed more than one black manager. Most clubs in the league have never appointed a black manager bit of a sad state of affairs.

What are you talking about man? 'Something needs to be done'. Do you think these teams are not choosing black managers on purpose?

If the best managers around happen to be white, then I'm afraid there's going to be a lot of white managers, and as there are finite managerial places, it means less black managers. Trying to force anything else is racist in itself.
 
What are you talking about man? 'Something needs to be done'. Do you think these teams are not choosing black managers on purpose?

If the best managers around happen to be white, then I'm afraid there's going to be a lot of white managers, and as there are finite managerial places, it means less black managers. Trying to force anything else is racist in itself.

The numbers don't add up, though I am all for going for the best manager. Why did someone like Hughton not get his first manager job until 16 years after he retired.
 
The numbers don't add up, though I am all for going for the best manager. Why did someone like Hughton not get his first manager job until 16 years after he retired.

First of all, look at the percentage of foreign managers. The vast majority of them, up and down the leagues, are English.

Second of all, look at the number of black English players. There aren't very many at all compared to white players. More specifically, look at the number of black English players 20-30 years ago, when players of that era will now be old enough to become managers. The percentage is smaller still.

The numbers do add up. There ARE some black players out there who have the credentials to go down the managerial route, like Andy Cole or Les Ferdinand, but plenty of them simply haven't bothered as it obviously doesn't interest them.
 
First of all, look at the percentage of foreign managers. The vast majority of them, up and down the leagues, are English.

Second of all, look at the number of black English players. There aren't very many at all compared to white players. More specifically, look at the number of black English players 20-30 years ago, when players of that era will now be old enough to become managers. The percentage is smaller still.

The numbers do add up. There ARE some black players out there who have the credentials to go down the managerial route, like Andy Cole or Les Ferdinand, but plenty of them simply haven't bothered as it obviously doesn't interest them.

The number of black players didn't add up 20-30 years ago. I hope in time it does change. As for the number of English managers not many of them are in the Premier League Chelsea haven't had an English manager since 1996 yet haven't had a manager for more than 4 years in that time. Not convinced that foreign managers are keen on working in the lower leagues, though you do get the odd person like Di Canio who will.
 
funny you should mention Cole and Ferdinand

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...-generation-black-managers-article796324.html

Cole believes it&#8217;s time the balance was *similarly redressed in this country.

The former England and Manchester United striker said: &#8220;How long have we all been talking about black players needing more ways into coaching and *management? Over a decade.

&#8220;Yet here we are in 2011 still debating it. I started doing my UEFA B three years ago. But I told myself last year that it just wasn&#8217;t worth it.

&#8220;So many good people have told me, &#8216;Coley, do it. Move on to the next one [coaching badge]&#8217;. And one minute I think, &#8216;Yes, you&#8217;re right. But then the next I think, &#8216;No, what&#8217;s the point?&#8217;

&#8220;Because I honestly don&#8217;t think there is going to be anything there for me when I finish. I&#8217;m not going to lie.

&#8220;That&#8217;s why I think there will be a generation lost in terms of management.

&#8220;With the money they are making now, a lot of players in this country will turn around and walk away from the game here.&#8221;

The Treble-winning marksman, who retired in 2008, added: &#8220;Look at the managerial merry-go-round in English football. It&#8217;s the same names all the time. And to a certain extent you can&#8217;t really say anything because it&#8217;s a system.

&#8220;If you speak up people say, &#8216;Here we go again. He&#8217;s playing the race card&#8217; &#8211; even though the facts speak for themselves.&#8221;

Last year Huddersfield insisted they were unable to afford Cole &#8211; without ever talking terms with him over work on a casual basis.

&#8220;I went to Huddersfield and got involved &#8211; the boys were enjoying it and things went well,&#8221; he said.

&#8220;Lee Clarke, who I am still friends with now and I don&#8217;t blame, asked me to do another day. And another. So I asked the question, &#8216;Is there a job here for me?&#8217; But I was told no because the chief exec or whoever couldn&#8217;t afford me.

&#8220;I didn&#8217;t ask for anything *financially. So how did they know they couldn&#8217;t afford me?&#8221;

Winning five Premier League titles, the *Champions League and two FA Cups for United has clearly counted for nothing as far as Cole is concerned.

It has, however, at United where Cole is a club *ambassador.

&#8220;Sir Alex Ferguson has been absolutely *brilliant with me. He keeps telling me to get my badges done,&#8221; said Cole.

&#8220;But although I know exactly where the boss is coming from, is there going to be a job for me at the end of the tunnel? I&#8217;m honestly not sure.

&#8220;A hell of a lot of black players feel the same. And why shouldn&#8217;t they?

&#8220;Gordon Taylor at the PFA has sat me down many times and said, &#8216;Andrew, for what you have done in your career you could be a great example to others if you got into coaching or management&#8217;.

&#8220;I&#8217;d love to but if I&#8217;m not been given an *opportunity why am I going to go through all that?

&#8220;Les Ferdinand has got the knowledge. He&#8217;s got charisma. He has played the game at the highest level and he has achieved at the highest level. Why can Les not get a management job?

&#8220;Les is not a controversial guy. Everybody loves Les. Why doesn&#8217;t someone give him a job?&#8221;

American lawyer Cyrus Mehdi, who pushed for the Rooney Rule in the US, maintains the controversial plan could work here.

But Cole went on: &#8220;It shouldn&#8217;t have to take some guy to come here from America and mention the Rooney Rule.

&#8220;Will it make a huge difference if a black or ethnic minority has to be listened to by a chairman?

&#8220;All that chairman has to do is listen. It&#8217;s whether that chairman is willing to do anything after that. That will be the real test.&#8221;
 
Something needs to be done, believe Newcastle are the only team currently in the PL to have appointed more than one black manager. Most clubs in the league have never appointed a black manager bit of a sad state of affairs.

Ok then bud, let's do something. Let's just give folk the job whether they are any good or not just because of their skin colour eh?

That's what they do in police forces up & down the country man & that's why we're in the state we're in bud. Wrong people hired for the wrong reasons.

Skin colour should not be an issue. I f you are the best person for the job you should get it. If you are not, you should be ****ed off.
 
I find myself in an unreal situation.

Agreeing with Joker & Chappy in the same night. I must have had a drink spiked. :)
 
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