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SuperSpursAllStars said:
Of course the laws of the game dont specify "2 footed challenge" but they do with regards to serious foul play which MAY endanger another player i.e. the 2 footed challenge.

whilst I agree Kompanys was harsh and in Johnson;s case common sense prevailed, you cannot argue they were both POTENTIALLY dangerous tackles.
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And the important word is MAY! MAY endanger an opponent.

Johnson got his interception (I won't call it a tackle, because it wasn't) spot on. Had he mistimed it slightly then yes, that's where the laws of the game come into the equation and he would have seen red. Just like Kompany did.

Are we finished with this now?
 
I heard some ware that that FA instructed refs to send off all players who go in with 2 feet.

2 footed challenge, should have gone, but did not.
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
This ^ for f..k's sake. I was outside the pub having a *** and was watching through the window. At first, I thought the ref was booking Agger for diving. When I went in and saw the replay, I couldn't believe Savic wasn't sent off. Wasn't he the last defender in front of the goal, bar Hart?
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Spot on. The law on that is pretty clear on that -


A player, substitute or substituted player is dismissed from the field of play and shown the red card if he/she commits any of the following offences:


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  • [*=1|left]Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity (check) to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal (check) by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick (check)

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That was the only big decision he got wrong.​
 
Eddie B said:
Spot on. The law on that is pretty clear on that -


A player, substitute or substituted player is dismissed from the field of play and shown the red card if he/she commits any of the following offences:
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  • [*=1|left]Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity (check) to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal (check) by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick (check)
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That was the only big decision he got wrong.​
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thought he should have gone for the tackle regardless of where it happened on the pitch - might have argued that it was not a clear goal scoring opportunity but he should definitely have gone just for catching agger with his studs above his knee
 
antidistinctlyminty (ADM) said:
thought he should have gone for the tackle regardless of where it happened on the pitch - might have argued that it was not a clear goal scoring opportunity but he should definitely have gone just for catching agger with his studs above his knee
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Well I'd say that goes too far - it was a hard smack but it was reckless (yellow) rather than serious foul play (red).
A case of serious foul play would be something like a stamp or a scissor-like movement with both legs - basically if the part of your body that's getting hit is free to move away from the impact then it's relatively safe, but if it's held in place - by the ground or by the opponent's other leg - then it can be incredibly dangerous.
This is where two-footed challenges get their danger. Normally the impact is in a downward motion, as the tackler is falling, meaning the body part being hit is held in place by the ground. If you catch someone just above the ankle like that it can end their career. Johnson's challenge was textbook for this, except that Lescott was in no danger because he was too far away. As I think OP stated, it wasn't even a tackle. Lescott wasn't under control of the ball.
I do think Kompany's was a red. If Nani had simply stood on the spot he could have been badly hurt.
 
SuperSpursAllStars said:
Perhaps they are trying to make it simple and consistant, 2 footed challenges have no place in the game, yes they have been doing in for 120 years but things change and the game moves on.

You would be the first to complain if a 2 footed challenge ruled out Suarez for the rest of the season. I am just saying that by eradicating them from the game can only be a good thing. Players will soon stop doing it after they see a rash of red cards.

Do I think he should have been sent off? maybe not, but under the laws of the game and taking Kompanys red card into consideration, you would have to say he was a lucky boy.
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Common sense dictates that if you can get the ball well before your opponent even with 2 feet, its a no brainer, it takes two people to make a challenge and when one gets there well before the other and gets the ball before the other arrives, that is no foul.

To put it into perspective, Carra tackled Nani with 1 foot, did some damage and should have gotten red, why, it was ill judged and dangerous.

Both Kompany and Johnson did not err in their judgement in going for the ball and noone was hurt. To prove a point, Nani didn't even consider he was fouled in any way, we know if he had then he'd have went down and rolled back to portugal.

The ref was right last night and Chris Foy was arseaboutface wrong to give Kompany a red and the FA must fkn love United to ban Kompany for 4 games<ok>



A power drill is dangerous a knife there are lots of dangerous things with ill judgement, Kompany and Johnson displayed good judgement in going for the ball in both cases, pity same cannot be said for the ref Foy

To classify two footed as red end of, if we do that with rules we lose teh flexibility to deal with the subtle differences with offences. In saying that Giggs used terrible judgement going hooking his leg around the player studs up n all and from behind, not even a yellow from the same ref that gave Kompany red
 
Not even sure why we are talking about Johnson's two footed tackle when we should be talking about his tackle on Aguero that was inch perfect!

The former is going round in circles, it all depends on the ref and what type of ref they are, are they lein, firm, fair, bottlers, etc.
 
BluffCityRed said:
Not even sure why we are talking about Johnson's two footed tackle when we should be talking about his tackle on Aguero that was inch perfect!

The former is going round in circles, it all depends on the ref and what type of ref they are, are they lein, firm, fair, bottlers, etc.
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it all depends on the ref and what type of ref they are, are they lein, firm, fair, bottlers, Howard Webb...
 
Eyes on the ball...won the ball = great challenge.

People moaning about Johnsons challenge should **** off and go and watch gymnastics or water polo <ok> GJ went for the ball...and won the ball, just like Kompany, Milijas and Spearing against Fulham. I'm getting fed up of pansies and crying tarts trying to turn the game of footy into a game of ****ing croquet. Get a grip <ok> If a player goes for the ball and wins the ball how in gods name is it a free kick...ever?

The worst challenge I've seen in the past couple of weeks was Cabayes on Spearing which resulted in er...nothing...and no media furore (surprise surprise) mainly because "it wasn't two footed". Just because a player only uses one foot to break someones leg doesn't make it alright. Or does it? Wonder if Alf Inge Haaland was chuffed to bits that Keane only smashed his leg to pieces with a one footed challenge??

Players going over the ball are an issue in football I appreciate that but in 5 years time the English game will have outlawed tackling of any kind (guaranteed) and we will be left with the slow paced, namby-pamby, ponces version of the game we see on the continent week in week out <grr>


I say bollox to that <ok> more tackles...less red cards.
 
its simple really

If Mankini thinks that Vincent Kompany should not have been sent off..then he is saying that it was a good tackle...and since he says johnson's tackle was like Kompany's then that means it also was a good tackle.

If he is saying that Johnson should have been sent off because that was a similar tackle to Kompany's then shut thr **** up nob hed!!

because that means Kompany deserved to go...<doh>...dikhed thinks hes the voice of fukin reason...prik has something to cry about every week..last weekend it was the fixtures..... you can imagine working under such an egotist...no wonder Tevez cant be botherd..hes the kind of guy that hates kissing arse so has told Mankini what he thinks about him...just like he couldnt be arsed with the hugging that Maradona used to like with his Argentina squads.
 
Dona_mara said:
its simple really

If Mankini thinks that Vincent Kompany should not have been sent off..then he is saying that it was a good tackle...and since he says johnson's tackle was like Kompany's then that means it also was a good tackle.

If he is saying that Johnson should have been sent off because that was a similar tackle to Kompany's then shut thr **** up nob hed!!

because that means Kompany deserved to go...<doh>...dikhed thinks hes the voice of fukin reason...prik has something to cry about every week..last weekend it was the fixtures..... you can imagine working under such an egotist...no wonder Tevez cant be botherd..hes the kind of guy that hates kissing arse so has told Mankini what he thinks about him...just like he couldnt be arsed with the hugging that Maradona used to like with his Argentina squads.
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Way off topic, but watched the replay of the spuds game last night. Walker has got so much pace and energy down that wing it isn't funny. Doesn't quite have the size of Ricahrds but definately has that same drive and probably a bit more skill I would say. Good shout on him. ( shame our kelly was a bit off his game yesterday, still did well enough in the end though!).
 
the artist known as Billy El Pistolero said:
Just because a player only uses one foot to break someones leg doesn't make it alright. Or does it? Wonder if Alf Inge Haaland was chuffed to bits that Keane only smashed his leg to pieces with a one footed challenge??
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Well said<ok>

Lucas Neil anyone? broke Carra's leg with a cowards 'single footed' tackle, did he even get red? he did
[video=youtube;4CEyTHbllwU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CEyTHbllwU[/video]

Remember Essien on Hamann?


Here's Essien again, how is this like Kompany or Johnson? Fklwads

This is a dangerous 2 footed challenge
[video=youtube;sYNpldrC3fs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNpldrC3fs[/video]
 
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