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Warnock a legend

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Rodney1966, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. papawarnock

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    **** I suppose I better get a new username!
     
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  2. ELLERS

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    Exactly what i said when it happened and same with 'Harry' at Wet Spam. Certain managers suit certain clubs. I think NW suited us in the Championship but now we have moved on.

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    Cannot understand people who think going down is ok? Deluded! Are these the same ones that wanted us to go up and were over the moon to see us in the Prem?

    Our profile has gone through the roof since going up and to survive we must remain in the Prem and TF and Co have invested a lot of money and don't do failure.
    I think the best for was for NW to have stayed until the end of the season (keeping us up) then retire a hero, however in reality we were falling like a stone and it needed to be sorted.
     
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  3. QPR Oslo

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    Right on James <cool>. No thanks, No honour from the Club he saved from League 1 and has brought to the PL. Further a terrible "business" decision, unless we got someone like the Special One lined up. Can't see us getting a better manager in now, but we can but hope.
     
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  4. QPAAAAAGH

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    Just what 'honour' are we talking about here? Warnock walked out on Palace because the money was better at QPR and we had the resources to match his ambition. If honour comes into it all he should have stayed at Palace and he certainly didn't come to LR because he thought us QPR fans were all good chaps. He did a good job in tricky circumstances but he has been very well rewarded for his efforts (far more than most of us could ever dream of) and can now decide to retire to his beloved Cornwall or take up a new challenge. Few of us have that option either. So, good luck Neil but please Not606'ers spare us the crocodile tears regarding a professional just doing his job.
     
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  5. Belfasthoop

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    I will always have great memories of last season and how quickly he turned things round for us, legend!
     
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  6. QPR Oslo

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    Ain't no tears that I seen, but a a hell of a lot of disbelief and anger. Fire a manager as good as Warnock has been for us you better have one hell of a good Manager ready to come in. We are still waiting and every minute we wait increases the chances of our relegation.
     
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  7. Dave Thomas

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    He was outstanding and built one the finest feel good factor teams I have seen at QPR since the Dave Thomas era. BUT... He has to except that when you review his time in the big time sorry but it went to his head IMO
    He was found out a bit in TV interviews and his handling of the players was at best amateurish .
    It's very sad of course as this league is in the worldwide spotlight and the dinosaur character don't fit
    I state that TF is in this for the profile and just a feeling but he is a nice bloke but maybe not a winner
    Amit on the other hand is a class act and the heart of QPR and our security once TF has used us to spotlight his business worldwide
    I only care that we play good QPR football in what ever division and the way we were going we could of reached the stars now ... We have to wait and see and hope
    I will return in a week to my gypo old ma puksy and see if she can help me out sort our the tea leaves of the greatest team in London
    As least we ain't plastic and boring
     
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  8. QPR Oslo

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    With Steve Bruce or Mark Hughes or the other names being touted around we stand a good chance of being boring
     
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  9. jon434_QPR

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/09/neil-warnock-loved-qpr


    A new documentary about life at QPR under Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone, The Four Year Plan, shows Neil Warnock arriving at Loftus Road to take up the job of manager. He walks past the home dressing room, whose door bears a sign with the words "Winners only" and says with a half-laugh: "We'll have to get rid of that."

    The QPR Warnock took over in March 2010 were anything but winners &#8211; plunging towards relegation in a season that saw them run through three "permanent" managers and two caretakers. A little over a year later he'd led Rangers to the Championship title, playing often scintillating football. Which is why, today, you won't find many Rangers fans celebrating his departure.

    In fact, across the main Rangers messageboards &#8211; Loft For Words, qprdot.org, We Are the Rangers Boys, QPR Report &#8211; you'll find thread after thread of deep disappointment. Even those who don't think he was the right man to keep Rangers in the Premier League aren't gloating, for in less than two years Warnock had done enough to be regarded by virtually all Loftus Road regulars as little short of a hero.

    "I'd just like to thank you for all you done for QPR. You put the pride back into our club when we were the biggest laughing stock in football. You were responsible for giving us one of the best seasons we're likely to have. That's all. I'm too gutted to write anymore," wrote Snipper at Loft For Words. "This is a knee jerk reaction made by a man who has spent millions on a few 'household name' players and wanted instant success," said GaryT at qprdot.org.

    "Thanks a million Neil Warnock you will be a hard act to follow," said NorfolkHoop at We Are the Rangers Boys. Or, as RorytheRanger put it at QPR Report: "We love you Neil Warnock." There was more &#8211; much, much more &#8211; along the same lines on all the boards.

    I started questioning how long Warnock would last in W12 before the Hoops' current dismal run of two points from eight games began. By chance, I spent a large chunk of an evening out in November talking to an old pro &#8211; not a QPR player &#8211; who'd played for Warnock and was full of praise for him. "But," he said, "he doesn't do tactics. He admits that. He's a motivator."

    That made me wonder how the players QPR brought in at the end of the summer would respond to him. After all, many of them had worked with managers for whom screaming "Up and at 'em!" took a very distant second place to constructing playing methods based on planning and tactics. It also made me wonder if it is possible to succeed in the top flight without having tactical know-how.

    Certainly, many of those summer signings do not seem to have been giving their best for Warnock since that blissful early run that saw Newcastle United played off the park and Wolves beaten: Joey Barton's performances have prompted far more grumbling than anything Warnock's done, and the only unqualified success has been Luke Young. The best answer to the tactical query came from Rangers' two games against Norwich City, in November and January, when in both cases QPR lost after Paul Lambert made substitutions and reconfigured his team, with almost immediate results, while Warnock failed to respond. In the game at Loftus Road, Norwich's substitutions were followed by Clint Hill, the Rangers left-back, bellowing to the dug-out: "You've got to change it! It's ****ing five against four! They've got wing backs! You've got to change it." Change came there none, and moments later Norwich scored their winner.

    That rabbit-in-the-headlights approach to strategy had become a feature at QPR. Why was Warnock picking only one striker at home, for a team struggling to score? Why were players being used out of position? Why was the willing but limited Jamie Mackie being used on the right wing instead of Shaun Wright-Phillips? Why was Adel Taarabt frozen out of the team for much of late autumn, when &#8211; for all the problems with him &#8211; he was the only midfielder capable of offering creativity to the team?

    Rangers' owner, Tony Fernandes, knew that despite all Warnock's shortcomings he was adored by the fans. And so his tweets last night had the slightly self-pitying tone of a man who doesn't want to be unpopular: "I apologise to the fans I have upset by this decision," he said at one point. But, even so, he may well have felt the same as Warnock did on his arrival in west London: you only deserve to be called a winner if you're actually winning.

    And so we bid farewell to Neil Warnock from W12 with some words posted on the web last night: "Neil Warnock is a legend for what he's done at QPR." They're not from Snipper or RorytheRanger. They're from Twitter, from &#8211; and I think you saw this coming &#8211; Tony Fernandes
     
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  10. TootingExcess

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    Why isnt QPRnot606 mentioned in that report?
     
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  11. ELLERS

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    But who put us near relegation?
    Sorry but NW (top bloke) had good players and yet we are 4th from bottom? He, messed around with tactics, playing one up front at home, bad substitutions, could not handle discipline of Joey or Adel and towards the end sounded like &#8216;ramblings from a mad man&#8217;
    only himself to blame
     
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  12. QPR Oslo

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    Needless to say I guess, but I don't agree with any of that Ellers. For me his tactics were great, he varied them nicely, played both through the middle with fast one touch football, and some long balls, and they suited the players we had. That we were 17th meant we were on track, and with the opportunity to bring in new players in Janauary I think we had a good chance of survival. Now he's gone for me those chances are reduced, I suppose its going to be Hughes who for me is better than Bruce and some other of the names mentioned, but I don't think he's as good as Neil, and he seems likely to play less attractive football. But we'll see, I won't care too much how we play this season as long as the new man holds us where Neil left us in 17th place or better.
     
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    They couldn't have been that good otherwise we would be higher in the league and able to beat 'lesser teams'?

    But lets forget that for a minute and ask yourself a question?

    Do we all agree that NW sacking was planned before saturdays game at 'unreal club FC'?
    You would have thought so because MH has come in very quickly.

    Then why bid for Samba,AJ and Yakubo just before the weekend?
    Were they NW targets or the new mans?
    Just read something that makes me think that there is more to this then a simple sacking.
     
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  14. QPR Oslo

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    I read Beard said they had been in disussion with Neil for days, that Neil knew he was walking dead at Dons and showed little enthusiasm for the game. Wouldn't surprise me if "the new man" hadn't already indicated that he was ok with these bids - would make sense.
     
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    Heartbroken to be honest and its a feeling I didnt expect at all.

    Legend.
     
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  16. YappyR

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    Sorry mate, but I think he was doing fine. We really had scoring problems except for Helgs, and defensively, our boys weren't quite up to speed, but, this transfer window is what we needed to solidify the team.
    I mean, come on - the man led us back to the Prem and this is how we thank him? He had barely got started! Just because Swans and Norwich are doing better than us by a narrow margin, he gets the boot? We really were getting some dodgy calls by the refs, I mean look at what happened to Joey.

    Besides all that -
    we held Arsenal to 1 goal. Liverpool same. Man U barely beat us, and I know they haven't been themselves, but we did OK. We really were only a couple of goals away from every game in holding our own. We were so close - and if we could have had some stronger players to shuffle around, I think we would've been fine - he just needed a couple players in this transfer window.

    I really think he should've been given the chance for another couple more months.

    Last season in the Championship, I said that it's God's blessing that we got knocked out of the FA and League Cups so early - and I was right - it helped us focus on the league and keep our players fresh. We should've done the same this season.

    Mark Hughes will not fair any better. He has no voice. He stands there glum on the sidelines and he always has that expression on his face as if he has no idea how to play defense.
     
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  17. rangercol

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    I can't believe some people are saying things like..."we won't get a top manager, so why get rid of NW"?!!
    FFS....what calibre of manager are people expecting Queens Park Rangers to get? Moriniho? Hiddink? Get real guys!!
    The Board had to act now or wait till the end of the season. They chose now....so we need to get behind the new man.
    Come on Sparky, if it's you, get us playing!!
     
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  18. BackinBlighty

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    His tactics were so good we picked up 2 points in 8 games - god help us if he got them wrong then. Its no use bleating about ref's decisions etc....he had lost the plot and the players looked as if they didnt know what the plan was either. Lets not forget our only home win was in large parts down to some very favourable referring decisions - if we can see past the emotion that may have clouded our opinions of that wonderful day.
     
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  19. QPR Oslo

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    Col! We had a top Manager in Neil! There's little or nothing to suggest that the ones who are likely to come in now are better than him.
     
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  20. BackinBlighty

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    ?????.....well if you look at the facts there is nothing to suggest the new broom will be better..............other than NW's track record in the Premier League vs the track record of the favourite to replace him. One got 3 different clubs into Europe, the other was on his way to his 2nd sucessive relegation. lets not confuse what a great bloke he is (no dispute on that) and his passion with the ability to manage a team and high maintenance players at the top level.
     
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