Can a player refuse to leave ?

Carroll?

 

Exactly. If a Geordie leaves, then can't see a Frenchman or whatever stay if one of those teams come in for them.

 

The issue you guys have is your wage limit.

It's all good making Tiote and Cabaye the highest earners at your club but £7.50 a week isn't going to cut the mustard when Chelsea start whispering sweet £80k's in his agents ear. Regardless of what people think about loyalty, if you're earning £40k and another team offers you £100k you're going to leave, some will leave with a heavy heart but the first pay cheque normally takes care of that.

If you guys want to keep your top players you need to come up with a wage structure that will facilitate that, otherwise your dressing room will just be one very expensive carousel, albeit one that makes a lot of money.

I think we all know the reason your hairy CB won't sign a contract extension and that's because he's being asked to chop his wages in half, and for all of the decent performances he's put in...why should he satisfy the fat tumour that's in charge of your club rather than his own family?

In short....yes a player can refuse a move away. In reality this only happens to players who you actually want to leave your club, but they're staying on a good wage, sitting in your reserves knowing they'll probably never play for you again.

 

cough*alansmith*cough

 

You know about Alan Smith then

 

I think we all accept this is the legal scenario, but its not what happens in reality. As soon as a player is told "look we've had a bid for you which is acceptable to us and we'd like to move you on", the player doesn't think "you can't make me leave". He finds out who is bidding and instructs his agent to get him as much money as possible and tells him which of the bidders he prefers. Essentially they can refuse but it doesn't happen in modern day football and people shouldn't expect that level of commitment from players nowadays, its just not realistic with the money involved.

 

We dont have the money unfortunately. The financial structure in place has us running self sufficiently and we expect to break even this season. £50,000 a week is a lot of money, if players are getting offers from City/Chelsea/Man U etc then we will turn a huge profit on them and replace them cheaper just like with Carroll. It isnt perfect but certainly works for us.

 

Yes, if a player has a contract with a club and they want to stay with that club, then they absolutely do not have to leave. If they find out on transfer deadline day that they're the subject of a bid, they can just stay at home with a cup of bovril if that's what they want. It isn't as though all the players are in a waiting room outside Mike's office waiting for the dreaded finger point. This is what makes the whole idea of Carroll desperately not wanting to leave complete nonsense. If he had no interest in leaving, he wouldn't have been hanging out in Mike's office with a pen in his hand on transfer deadline day.

 

He's actually one of the players the club is apparently breaking the rules for. Rumour has it he's been offered a 5 year deal with a wage increase to see his career out on Tyneside.

 

When Smith goes in summer it'll free up wages to either get Colo and Ba signed up to new contracts, or towards new signings.

 

Skapel, surely you can see though that once a bid is accepted, players never stay. Its not about whether they have to leave. Its about how players view clubs accepting bids. They view it as no longer being wanted to by the club. Which to be fair to players, is how we would all view our employer moving us on to a different company. I would honestly struggle to name a player who in recent times has remained at a club after being told a bid has been accepted from a significantly bigger club. Its nonsensical to suggest players are about to buck this trend and start staying at clubs out of love. The only way a player stops at a club is if the club rejects offers (a la Modric). Everything else is just fantasy island from what I can see over the last 10 years.

 

And as for this, he's been offered more money than he's currently on. Dont make assumptions about our club just because we pulled off the rip off of the century with Carroll.

 

We don't actually know what he's been offered Smudger. We will never know this for any player unless one decides to publish the actual offers clubs make to them. I doubt this will ever happen as you'd be opening a right can of worms and more often than not, people, when faced with cold hard figures on a page, will just come to the conclusion that all footballers are greedy bastards.

Its why I always now preach silence on matters of contracts and whether the club is being tight or the club being greedy, the truth is we'll never know. The furthest we ever get is claims from the player, or claims from the MD/owner/manager. Its always verbal though and is probably given a bit of a positive twist from their own point of view.

Maybe that is a way to get wages under control, have it stipulated that all football contracts should be a matter of public interest! Try and shame them into dropping their demands. Then again they' wouldn't give a **** would they!

 

the alan smith part above ,he needs to sign up for a sunday league team

 

I agree. Players like all employees want to feel appreciated by their employer and being sold doesn't help with that. Also most players just see a club as an employer and don't have the level of commitment that we the fans have and it is naive to expect them to.

The bit in bold I agree with. Furthermore those few cases that can be highlighted, Le Tissier is the often used example, often have other factors playing a part. The story I have, from members of his own family, suggest that whilst Le Tis was loyal to Southampton it was his wife who was behind his refusal to move to several bigger clubs as she didn't want to uproot the family and move. Le Tiss was apparently gagging to join Chelsea at one point.

 

Le Tissier was probably the last of his kind. Wives had a say then too. Abby Clancy made it quite clear she didn't fancy Stoke supposedly!! Not good for her career and all that.