When Will Starmer Go?

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I don't get what has annoyed you so much.

Farage made the videos. Some of them have embarrassed him. They haven't harmed his popularity among the electorate.
I was only using them as an example of his ambition to get a better job (as PM).

NF is a geezer. The only live wire at the top level of British Politics.
Maybe (and it is a big maybe) Andy Burnham can give him a run for his money before the next General Election.
That's it basically.
 
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lardiman said:
Back on topic - the future direction of our Government for at least the next three years will be decided in the next 65 minutes.

I wonder when the results will be announced.
Looking forward to seeing Count Binface on the stage with Andy <ok>
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Results Friday am I believe
 
lardiman said:
I don't get what has annoyed you so much.

Farage made the videos. Some of them have embarrassed him. They haven't harmed his popularity among the electorate.
I was only using them as an example of his ambition to get a better job (as PM).

NF is a geezer. The only live wire at the top level of British Politics.
Maybe (and it is a big maybe) Andy Burnham can give him a run for his money before the next General Election.
That's it basically.
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Not annoyed, more exasperated - at the language that The Guardian use to stoke division and to try to discredit Farage, who they clearly dislike, in order to boost their sales and advertising income.

Neo-Nazi, Far-Right, Misogynistic, Anti-Semitic - Farage is none of that and yet you are happy to spread the article which contains all of that.

As I’ve said, you were quite rightly annoyed when you were accused of being anti-Semitic when you aren’t, so why the difference when it comes to Farage ?
 
Farage made all the videos. The Guardian did not make them.
It sounds like you are eager to shoot the messenger.

Perhaps some of the newspapers who are more sympathetic to Reform UK also published stories about these Cameo videos.
However, a search of the first 5 pages of a certain popular search engine does not reveal a single link to any of those newspapers.

A free press, by definition, has to approach political stories from all points along the mainstream political spectrum.
Plenty of stories that cast the left wing in a bad light are extensively covered by the right wing press every day.
It is only reasonable to expect the opposite to also be true.

And on a personal note;

The person who falsely denounced me as an anti-Semite did so because of his personal hatred towards me. A result of several years of nasty and abusive conflict. It suited the creator of that forum to support and repeat that falsehood, in order to discredit me and stop me from objecting to his repeated calls for individuals who angered him to be physically hurt.

It suits both of them that I never return to that forum to tell the truth about things they don't want to face.
Bullying, cliques, lying, emotional blackmail, intolerance, ridicule and hatred towards many other Charlton supporters.

My only regret is that I did not leave that forum immediately when I read a post about the forum administrator wanting the son of Thomas Sandgaard to be beaten up in an alley somewhere. I should not have bothered protesting against that.
I should have just walked away.

I have never posted one word denouncing Nigel Farage as an anti-Semite.
Not one word.
And I am annoyed at the implication that I am a hypocrite who has 'disseminated misinformation'.
But I'm not going to let that annoyance get the better of me.

I am grateful that you have stated several times this evening that I am not an anti-Semite, and the accusations still repeated about me on ITTV are lies.
To me that is a confirmation of the plain truth. But sadly that lie is perpetuated on the forum whose creator puts hate and division above the common values of all Charlton supporters.
Something that will never happen here.
 
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Latest rumour is that Andy Burnham has got over 50% of the vote.

If he scores a massive victory, hundreds of back benchers and many in Cabinet might come on board nearly straight away.
Keir Starmer, tone deaf though he is, could not possibly close his ears to that message.
 
55% of the vote, around a 9,000 majority. And he made no secret he's gunning for Starmer's job.
Labour caned in the two Scottish by-elections as well. Lost huge vote-share in both.

Decision time for Labour MP's...
 
Burnham to win in Makerfield. <cheers>

A cabinet coup within a week will see ministers resigning when Starmer won’t budge.

Pressure mounts. Starmer resigns.

Burnham becomes unelected PM without a mandate from the UK public.

Streeting looks more and more like the wet tea bag he is.

Spend, borrow, don’t pay back

Spend, borrow don’t pay back

Labour rightly kicked out at the next GE.

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Forecast updated
 
Ubedizzytoo said:
Not annoyed, more exasperated - at the language that The Guardian use to stoke division and to try to discredit Farage, who they clearly dislike, in order to boost their sales and advertising income.

Neo-Nazi, Far-Right, Misogynistic, Anti-Semitic - Farage is none of that and yet you are happy to spread the article which contains all of that.

As I’ve said, you were quite rightly annoyed when you were accused of being anti-Semitic when you aren’t, so why the difference when it comes to Farage ?
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'Stoke division', that's 10/10 on the ironymeter. :emoticon-0138-think


It's our time.
 
"I am proud at what the Government have achieved since I had the privilege to lead the country"

We'll hear these words next week.
 
Watameire said:
He’s doing the offski tomorrow according to the papers.
Resigning tomorrow with a tenure lasting up until September
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Presumably the Cabinet & back bench opinions (taken privately) have convinced Sir Keir that to fight on will only result in humiliation.
He must be gutted.
Within one Parliament he achieved almost as much as Tony Blair did, turning Labour from a joke under Corbyn into a Party seen by millions as the best way to kick out the incompetent Tories.
And this is the thanks he gets.

But the hard truth is that these last two years have not been like the beginning of the Blair era.
Winter fuel payments, inheritance tax on farmers, multiple U-turns, 15% NI on businesses, Peter Mandelson.
Enough is enough.

For Starmer to hang on until September sounds ridiculous.
But it is worth remembering that in about three weeks the whole Government shuts down.
The Summer recess will last until September, during which the Country drifts along, rudderless.
If Starmer is going, I would prefer to see Burnham coronated before the recess.
Not wait for months as the interest on the UK's massive debts just keeps going up and up.
 
I understand your position.

But I must say, (as arguably a very average voter) the prospect of Keir Starmer being replaced by Wes Streeting sends me straight to sleep.
Angela Rayner frankly the same, with the addition of some nightmares - though she does at least have a personality.

I'm willing to believe that Andy Burnham may have something more about him.
And I think if there is a contest Burnham will win anyway.
The divisions opened up by a contest will look and smell very much like the handbags between Liz Truss & Rishi Sunak.
Which would do more harm than good.
 
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No coronation please, not like Gordon Brown. A proper contest. I voted for Lisa Nandy last time, I liked what she had to say about rebuilding the Party from the bottom up. There are better potential PM's than Burnham and Streeting, Hilary Benn for example.
 
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In the eyes of the wider electorate one thing Andy Burnham as in his favour is that he is not connected at all to Keir Starmer and the calamities of the two years since the General Election.

Can any other potential candidate for the job of Prime Minister say that?
Wes Streeting certainly cannot. Neither can Angela Rayner.
I'm not sure about Lisa Nandy or Hilary Benn.

Do either of them have the charisma factor that AB has?
Serious political people may get annoyed about such a concept and the power of it, above reasoned argument.
But this is the age we live in.
Nigel Farage is popular among folks who consider voting Reform 90% down to his personal charisma.
And him being master of the dog-whistle sound-bite.

Can anyone remember one time when Keir Starmer stirred up any political ripples with a slightly provocative comment?
With a twinkle in his eye?

Farage is the absolute master of it.
I have a feeling that Andy Burnham wouldn't mind doing a bit of that himself.
Even as PM, if he gets the tone right he could rile his opponents in a way that Starmer never could.
Give a little of it back - and see who bites.
 
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Starmer got the gig because he was least like Corbyn who got the gig because he was least like a career politician. Miliband got it as a reaction to New Labour. Blair was the last Labour leader to get the votes on ability alone.
 
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It's looking like today.

I'm hoping for a coronation.
Whether or not a General Election will follow depends on how far AB plans to deviate from the 2024 manifesto.
A few people who know him have been saying he may call an election if he has radical plans.
That would be the honourable thing to do.
 
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