I didn’t say that mate you are one of the best posters on here. I agree with you but we can’t let hate filled people use these sad circumstances to spin more hate. These people, backed by self interested non dom billionaires, are the problem and certainly not the solution.
Off Topic The threat from the Far-Right (or left)
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That's a really patronising reply. At the risk of playing top trumps, I have first hand scars from domestic violence.
Not all immigrants are bad though. Many integrate into the local community and live and work happily among those born and bred here.
Violence is carried out by all sorts of people regardless of their skin colour. The protests against violent immigrants is fuelling up hate towards innocent people which is wrong.
I was talking to my mate the barber again yesterday. In his words ‘what is wrong with people. I wouldn’t even hurt an animal, never mind do that to a human. It will just cause more racism’.
Sadly it already has. He travelled here from Iraq, via Italy initially. He said the attack made him think of bad things back home and referenced Islamic State. It struck me that he was running away from violence and now it’s kicking off here.
Just be nice to people, whatever their history, it’s not that complicated.
If we have so many violent white men amongst us then surely by sheer weight of numbers (95% of people are still white) violence perpetrated.by asylum seekers would pale iinto insignificance. The fact thst it doesn't is salient. Of course not all asylum seekers are violent, but there seems to be an inordinate number that are. Perhaps if we knew their previous history of violence/trouble we could refuse them on that grounds. But they all deliberately come here without.ID on small boats so we.can't.
Here are some facts in refugees and asylum seekers
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What does the data say overall?
The reality is that the government’s own data cannot tell us how many crimes are committed by asylum seekers because the Ministry of Justice does not record offences by immigration status. As such, there is no official way to compare offending rates of asylum seekers with the wider population.
There are various proxies but none of them give a cast iron answer. For example, information on crime is collected by nationality but that only gets us so far.
The category “foreign nationals’’ lumps together a wide mix of people: recent arrivals, long-settled immigrants, students, health and care workers, their dependants, and also asylum seekers.
With that context in mind, the figures we do have show that, overall, foreign nationals in England and Wales are imprisoned or convicted at roughly the same rate as British nationals, according to analysis by the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford.
What does the data say overall?
The reality is that the government’s own data cannot tell us how many crimes are committed by asylum seekers because the Ministry of Justice does not record offences by immigration status. As such, there is no official way to compare offending rates of asylum seekers with the wider population.
There are various proxies but none of them give a cast iron answer. For example, information on crime is collected by nationality but that only gets us so far.
The category “foreign nationals’’ lumps together a wide mix of people: recent arrivals, long-settled immigrants, students, health and care workers, their dependants, and also asylum seekers.
With that context in mind, the figures we do have show that, overall, foreign nationals in England and Wales are imprisoned or convicted at roughly the same rate as British nationals, according to analysis by the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford.
London tube bombers, Aryana Grande bombers and Lee Rigby's killers would be included as British Nationals because they were born here. Lies and damn Statistics as someone once said.
But you've hand-picked a few atrocities here. You could have picked the murder of J Cox, Plymouth shootings of 2021 or London nail bombings in 1999. And I haven't mentioned the IRA, (Real or otherwise). What the IRA and the London tube bombers/Aryana Grande have in common is that (they believe that) the British invaded their countries - I'm not saying that retaliation is justified, but none of these atrocities would have happened if we hadn't invaded.
The press and social media tell us what to be horrified about.
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Are these lies ?
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Where have I said that's a good thing? Why do you think people commit terrorist attacks?
So grouping people together and targeting them just because they are migrants / black isn’t a good thing?
In answer to your second question ….
Generally - individual / social circumstances - loss, trauma, loneliness, isolation, could be no qualifications, hardship, poor living arrangements, lack of family support or protective relationships or services,
Medical difficulties- complex thinking patterns and styles - sometimes related to neurodiversity, mental ill health , poor emotional regulation, difficulties with decision making skills
Overlapped with negative social connections on or off line
Overlapped with connection to a belief system or ideology and the inability to aply critical thinking so it becomes a black and white thing rather than a complex and adjusted fit to the world
An ability to access resources to cause harm
So a mix if these more often than not with some more pronounced from others.
Jo Cox’s killer read books on hitler while volunteering in Batley library alongside multicultural peers who had no indication
I largely agree with this, I don't think he has the long term answers but he is the only one pointing in a specific direction, the question I asked was genuine, why is there no alternative? Why isn't there a left wing (economic) party that is not "woke" and will stop immigration? It's like the kryptonite is just sitting there waiting for someone to pick up and wield against the right and people are allergic to it.
Terrorists want people to REACT to what they have done. So people rioting and burning houses down is exactly the reaction that animal wants. He is probably sitting in his prison cell delighted with what is happening.
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Confirmation bias trumps facts of course. Should we all keep listing the names of hideous people or should we pretend only black and brown people are baddies.
For the record i lost a friend in a terror attack and passed through manchester victoria about 4 hours before the arena bomb, where my friends 10 year old daughter had shrapnel in her leg and saw multiple body parts, so i’m making no excuses for hideous acts, but they have to stop somewhere and rounding al migrants up isn't going to create calm and tranquility.
As i said yesterday we need to have systems in place, which we do - but they’ve taken years not weeks thanks to the likes of Jenrick and Braverman being inept. It’s turning, but it won’t stop troubled people being paranoid and violent. How do you think it wil be if Reform get in and cut support services to vulnerable people? Say we did/could send them home. Who’ll be the next scapegoat? We need people to pay taxes so we have preventative community services, not the opposite.
They should put you in charge of the Ministry of Excuses.
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