Savinho I am neither for or against because I have not seen him enough, but he has had just 7 starts, according to Premier League stats. Not a lot to go on is it. I think in that situation assessing him by output will not produce a complete picture of his abilities or lack of them.
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The time to attract top players is when you have top players at the club, or a top manager, or you are at the top of your wave in league position or CL challenging.
Tottenham became less attractive after selling the best players without securing top replacements prior.
Unfortunately the club still remains delusional about how attractive it is to top players and has had to come down a peg in its estimations of who the team attracts.
We are now mid table at best. Hiring Frank cemented this.
Kane, Son, Alli and Eriksen were all acquired when they were young and grew together to become a force. They were acquired before they peaked, all before bigger clubs circled. We actually need to do that again, we should be doing that constantly, which is why young players are being targeted. There were many players who were bought at the same time that didn't do as well and they were moved on. This is normal.
Pochettino had a team of relatively cheap youngsters. Bentaleb and Mason were regulars for example. Even Son didn't break the bank. He also brought in a number of players some of which didn't work and were sold.
It's risky, but we have limited options, we either have to buy the best and compete with Liverpool, Man United, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal [which have failed to do with Eze, Semenyo, Mbuemo etc.], or we tussle it out with Newcastle, Villa, Brighton etc. for players that may be under the radar or players in progress.
Sunderland is a great example of build a team to suit a philosophy without breaking the bank. We would turn our noses up at most of those signings, but they are way ahead of us in terms of a balanced and complete squad. The table doesn't lie.
We should have gone all out for Semenyo an entire season before Son left. The fact that Tel is our best and only LW in the absence of Son is absolutely crazy.
We had the right idea with MGW, but we saw how that panned out. I can see the likes of Arsenal coming on for him again as they too need to improve their squad as do Liverpool. Teams that would have been happy to sell to us before as the 'stronger' team are now seeing us as competition that they don't want to strengthen.
We need to build a team that is greater than the sum of its parts around De Zerbi and his philosophy. I think this may require a combination of top players from within the league or top leagues, if we manage to attract them, and more creative signings that may or may not work but the manager has an eye for the player in relation to the philosophy of his play. Son, Dele, Lucas, Chadli were all players that fitted this criteria and we didn't have major competition for them.
I want to know what De Zerbi's equivalent of that is, in the event that we don't manage to successfully tussle with the Liverpools and Man United etc. for the obvious top candidates.
I agree, it's risky.
We've just seen De Zerbi gamble on himself and 'win'. Only he can and should decide on whether this, or any player, would be a risk he's willing to take.
'Liverpool are in advanced talks with Andoni Iraola as they look to appoint a new head coach following the sacking of Arne Slot.'
That must put our signing of Senesi in doubt if we have not tied up the paperwork. We have seen this sitution before with Diaz and Willian for example.
That must put our signing of Senesi in doubt if we have not tied up the paperwork. We have seen this sitution before with Diaz and Willian for example.
Problem is, Spurf, there’s a reason he only had 7 starts.
Of course, they have a squad bloated with talent. That's not a reason to not look at him.
There’s nothing delusional though because this club barely even tries to sign top players. Hence why we splurge on dross like Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher etc.
Rightly or wrongly we’re part of the Prem big six, we won the Europa League just over a year ago, we have glitzy stadium and world class training facilities and we rank inside the top 10 richest clubs in world football. The idea we’re not an attractive proposition to top players is a myth, the issue is our club forgets who we are at times and seemingly so does our fans.
Sunderland are also not an example to follow. Whilst they went a step or two further, there’s been quite a few promoted sides over the years who take the league by surprise in their debut season only to then falter in their second.
They only have two natural wingers/ wide forwards in their squad and one of them only joined in the January window.
Pep just didn’t trust him and for good reason. He’s literally out of the same box as the Tel’s and Odobert’s of the world of all flair and no idea, they probably went to the Yannick Bolasie school of deceivers. A YouTube comp could make Bolasie look like Ronaldinho, as it could probably those three too, but when you watch them all play you realise they barely impact matches because they lack a brain and the know-how to actually have end product.
Not in a position to agree/disagree on Savinho because as I said, I have just not seen much of him. On Tel and Odobert I think you are too quick in your judgement of them. Too few games, playing in a poor team for the last two seasons and both not fully developed. The problem IMO, is not them or Gray or Bergval it is that they should not at this stage be starters. On the basis of the last two seasons we all agree (I think) that we need new ready made players. Hopefully DeZerbi will be backed properly and he will be given the last say. It is slightly concerning that we are looking at the same players that we failed to sign in the summer, but that could just be lazy journalism.
I'd take him at around £20m but the ludicrous sums being talked about?? Nah not for me.
Oh and 100% Senesi ends up at Liverpool now...
Premium Rate scammers TEAMtalk seem to be copying my idea, as they're linking us with Eintracht French AM Jean-Matteo Bahoya
Obviously reason enough to dump that into Tier 3 or below - but it does have to be said there is a pattern of AMs being linked with us lately, with Napoli's Antonio Vergara being last week's special guest, likely in no small part due to Xavi likely being out until the New Year and Madders has always been a 70 minute player
Obviously reason enough to dump that into Tier 3 or below - but it does have to be said there is a pattern of AMs being linked with us lately, with Napoli's Antonio Vergara being last week's special guest, likely in no small part due to Xavi likely being out until the New Year and Madders has always been a 70 minute player
Sometimes though I think it’s quite easy to spot a talent and it’s also quite easy to determine if a player just hasn’t got “it” and I don’t think any of them have.
None of the crop of players we have right now give the feeling they’ll become a good enough player for what Spurs need. And part of the problem too is sort of touching on what you’ve said in that we need ready made players, so assuming/ hoping we do get some of those, where does that even leave Gray, Bergvall, Tel and Odobert? They’ll all pretty much be entering their third year as a Spurs player and finding themselves in arguably a worse position than when they joined due to their failure to progress.
Personally I just wouldn’t sign him, for whatever reason we just can’t spot a talent, we’ve become a graveyard for young players in general but also a club that just isn’t finding the right ones too.
I’d rather just go for players with proven pedigree at the moment. Costs more initially but in the long run could actually be cost effective considering how much we’re gonna lose on the overpaying of mediocre players or youngsters.
Fair point, well made!
I confess to having zero confidence in this lot at the top at the moment.
Yes, the WC is not helping matters but you just know nothing much will have changed in the week leading up to the new season.
At least I have shed demolition and then building a new one to take my mind off things for a week or two...
It's easy to spot the 'highest talents' perhaps. Gordon Strachan (for whom I have the greatest respect) said you look out for the players "football intelligence" and that's probably what you are talking about. That's what Maddison excels at for example and the other player that springs to mind is Sherringham. Presumably it follows that many players just rely on pure footballing ability and that's where the coaching comes in. For any Spurs player over the last two seasons who depends on coaching to bring out their talents we can perhaps see what happened. DeZerbi it appears is strong in the area of coaching and hopefully will be able to raise the level of the players he decides to keep.
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There's definitely a gap in footballing intelligence running through the team: Richy still hasn't grasped the offside rule, Bergvall can make some utterly baffling decisions, basically every winger we have overruns the ball etc etc
This is why a metronome in midfield is so important, because that would drag those players into timing their runs better or making the right run because otherwise they'd spend the game chasing shadows while copping death glares from midfield
We need a proper, experienced (at the highest level) Director of Football.
Pay the appropriate appointee whatever it takes to get them to the club!! We've not had a coherent plan for years and years...at least 10. We just react and get it wrong, again and again and again.
If we had someone with a vision for what we are and what the owners will invest to become more, we can start to make some progress. Until that point, the best result will be that we go nowhere...but given our current plight, we will probably go down.
No more ****ing amateur hour and D(ani)el Boy, ****ing nonsense. Get it a proper DoF!!!
Pay the appropriate appointee whatever it takes to get them to the club!! We've not had a coherent plan for years and years...at least 10. We just react and get it wrong, again and again and again.
If we had someone with a vision for what we are and what the owners will invest to become more, we can start to make some progress. Until that point, the best result will be that we go nowhere...but given our current plight, we will probably go down.
No more ****ing amateur hour and D(ani)el Boy, ****ing nonsense. Get it a proper DoF!!!
I think footballing intelligence is a great point because that is generally what separates the good to the bad.
And I know I highlight him a lot but that’s where Bolasie failed as a footballer. In terms of technical ability he could’ve played for Barca or Madrid but he just lacked any intelligence whatsoever. He’s the type of player who could dribble past a whole defence with skills Ronaldinho or R9 would be envious of but only to then pass it backwards. And this is where I see many players at Spurs, young and old. We just don’t have very many footballers with actual IQ, some don’t even have the ability either.
I think some are sort of hoping/ expecting RDZ to be able to polish a lot of turds and I think if the club feels the same we could very well find ourselves in the second tier at the end of next season.
Allison to Juve might not be happening now so Juve could target Emi Martinez or Vicario.
Getting rid of Vicario asap would be a decent start to the transfer window.
Getting rid of Vicario asap would be a decent start to the transfer window.
Less games (no Europe) will hopefully mean less injuries which means the squad won’t be as injury ravaged.
As the squad currently is, I’d expect midtable.
I don’t think any manager alive could get this current squad into the top 4. Top quality additions are needed but the fee and wages for those sort of players aren’t there (due to stadium debt)
I don’t have enough faith in the current recruitment team to get the players Spurs need to massively improve.