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Citizen Kane. said:
Multiple reports saying we've officially signalled our intent not to pursue Palhinha on a permanent contract.

He'll go down in the books as one of the main reasons we stayed up, not least for his crucial goals which technically earned us 7 points.
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“We’re not worried, Archie Gray can play there”. <rofl>
 
Citizen Kane. said:
Multiple reports saying we've officially signalled our intent not to pursue Palhinha on a permanent contract.

He'll go down in the books as one of the main reasons we stayed up, not least for his crucial goals which technically earned us 7 points.
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If he's made it clear that he must return to Portugal for personal reasons then so be it. But if not, then it's a dumb decision, particularly for the quoted fee.
 
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Dier Hard said:
No I would rather this club put an end to signing bad players and start bringing in ones that make a difference. But if the choice is bad player or nobody, I’m picking nobody and would then just rather invest time in our academy because they won’t be any worse and won’t set us back £50m either.

Just look at what we’ve signed over the last few years:
Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher, Gray, Tel, Odobert, Dragusin, Simons etc.

£100ms spent on players that haven’t improved Tottenham one jot and yet you’re advocating to sign more of that ilk? We just survived relegation and you’re backing the notion to sign a player that’s been relegated twice with two different clubs? Do you not see how backwards that thinking is?

What De Zerbi has earned is to be backed significantly in this market with players that are of nowhere near relegation calibre. Give him those and we may just see ourselves back into the top six quicker than we’d expect, give him the Summervilles of the world and brace for another year trying to finish above 18th.
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If we signed none of the players you mentioned and didn't sign alternatives, we'd have ben relegated a long time ago. You can't just not sign players when your squad is short. You say they've not improved Tottenham one jot, but with a managers vision the same players won us the first cup in years, so there must have been be a benefit to having at least some of them. They are not all bad players.

I agree with the point of getting players that are far from relegation caliber.

I'm not advocating to sign more of any ilk or for any particular player. I am not De Zerbi. I'm advocating for giving the manager tools he wants to work with whatever that means to him.

Aim for the very top. Yes, but....

Leao appears to be pimping himself to Man United
Diomande apparently wants Liverpool
Yildiz seems to want to stay at Juve

Who else do you want at LW?

... If they don't want to come, or they want to use our attention to alert the teams they really wanna sign for because we as a team are not far from relegation caliber, and the kids aren't good enough, the manager has asked for experienced players, doing nothing likely means we end up in relegation battle again next season, probably without the manager too because why stay?

We'd have more injuries because we'd overwork the players we have.

Clearly you have to look at options that may be lower down the list either in other top leagues, or in lower domestic leagues. The manager needs to be the one who determines what the lowest acceptable level is on a case by case basis, based on what belief he has in his ability, in the ability of the players, and the kind of squad he wants to build.

The club must find a way to fill gaps with good options before we get to complete dross levels.

Signing nobody is not an option.

Arsenal are reportedly about to sign Jeremy Monga from Leicester. Not saying that we should be in for him, but if we were, certain Tottenham fans would be complaining about the league he's come from. They're now in league one. Dele Alli was a lower league risk we took that paid off.

De Zerbi needs a balanced squad. This is a basic and fundamental requirement. There are many players who are far from relegation caliber that Tottenham fans will turn their nose up at, before we even get to the likes of Summerville. A key tell is when they ask "why aren't the bigger clubs in for him if he's any good?". This is flawed logic.

If De Zerbi is in for him, that's enough for me.

We're in the process of signing Robinson and Senesi, I've seen some fans complain about that. If we signed Mitoma and Harry Wilson some would complain about that too, even though they would both add to our current squad. Van Hecke is someone who De Zerbi has reportedly shown interest in, and I've seen fans complain about that despite him being an improvement on Dragusin for example.

Then you have Ndaiye and Baleba level. I've already seen and heard fans question whether these players are good enough for Spurs based on them not having the best of seasons, as if we had the best of seasons.

If we didn't have Kudus already I'd be up for getting Bowen if the manager wanted him. I prefer a fit Kudus to Bowen for our squad.

Citizen Kane. said:
My qualm with Trippier had nothing to do with the fact that he was part of a relegated teams. I just personally never rated him and think we got noticeably worse when he played.

But now that you mention the point, I will add that I think it is improbable to the point of absurdity for a top 6 side to pick up a player from a relegated team who will significantly improve them. When was the last time anything like that happened?

Relegated players are usually relegated because they aren't good enough. Maddison was a good signing but as you've said, he isn't amazing and can easily be upgraded - and this is a player supposedly in his prime. Unless I'm forgetting someone, we'd have to go back to Lennon and Robinson for the last time we signed players from a relegated team who were clear improvements, and that came before we were seen as a top 6 club.

A quick Google of the topic supports this. In the past two decades, only the following names really stand out:
Jordan Pickford (relegated with Sunderland)
Andy Robertson (relegated with Hull)
Georgino Wijnaldum (relegated with Newcastle)


Of the hundreds of players who have gone down in the past 20 years, only 3 stand out as excellent signings for the clubs who took a chance on them.

If we intend to continue shopping in Aldi, I'd sooner we give our academy products a chance first. There is little evidence any of Tel, Odobert or Summerville are any better than Mikey Moore.
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Maddison was a clear improvement for us, because we had nobody as a 10 since Eriksen which was years ago. You say he's easily improved upon, but we haven't yet have we? Let's hope we actually get MGW in this window. He can cover/backup RW too.

Similarly we have no fit senior LW, and we have't had one since Son. There are many players that would be an improvement on nothing, that would still not be good enough for some Spurs fans.

The evidence that Moore is of lower level is that he's out on loan rather than playing with the squad. I've also heard he's more of a ten that plays on the left, like Xavi, than he is an out and out left winger. Maybe they all need to go out on loan.

I'm glad you mentioned Lennon, absolute class despite, as far as I'm aware, no one being "in for him" but us and no 'big clubs' trying to prize him away since he joined us.

The upside that you're not talking about is the potential enthusiasm and loyalty to the club, if it's seen as a big move for the player rather than the lesser of the options, they are more likely to appreciate the move and the club.
 
LockStock said:
If we signed none of the players you mentioned and didn't sign alternatives, we'd have ben relegated a long time ago. You can't just not sign players when your squad is short. You say they've not improved Tottenham one jot, but with a managers vision the same players won us the first cup in years, so there must have been be a benefit to having at least some of them. They are not all bad players.

I agree with the point of getting players that are far from relegation caliber.

I'm not advocating to sign more of any ilk or for any particular player. I am not De Zerbi. I'm advocating for giving the manager tools he wants to work with whatever that means to him.

Aim for the very top. Yes, but....

Leao appears to be pimping himself to Man United
Diomande apparently wants Liverpool
Yildiz seems to want to stay at Juve

Who else do you want at LW?

... If they don't want to come, or they want to use our attention to alert the teams they really wanna sign for because we as a team are not far from relegation caliber, and the kids aren't good enough, the manager has asked for experienced players, doing nothing likely means we end up in relegation battle again next season, probably without the manager too because why stay?

We'd have more injuries because we'd overwork the players we have.

Clearly you have to look at options that may be lower down the list either in other top leagues, or in lower domestic leagues. The manager needs to be the one who determines what the lowest acceptable level is on a case by case basis, based on what belief he has in his ability, in the ability of the players, and the kind of squad he wants to build.

The club must find a way to fill gaps with good options before we get to complete dross levels.

Signing nobody is not an option.

Arsenal are reportedly about to sign Jeremy Monga from Leicester. Not saying that we should be in for him, but if we were, certain Tottenham fans would be complaining about the league he's come from. They're now in league one. Dele Alli was a lower league risk we took that paid off.

De Zerbi needs a balanced squad. This is a basic and fundamental requirement. There are many players who are far from relegation caliber that Tottenham fans will turn their nose up at, before we even get to the likes of Summerville. A key tell is when they ask "why aren't the bigger clubs in for him if he's any good?". This is flawed logic.

If De Zerbi is in for him, that's enough for me.

We're in the process of signing Robinson and Senesi, I've seen some fans complain about that. If we signed Mitoma and Harry Wilson some would complain about that too, even though they would both add to our current squad. Van Hecke is someone who De Zerbi has reportedly shown interest in, and I've seen fans complain about that despite him being an improvement on Dragusin for example.

Then you have Ndaiye and Baleba level. I've already seen and heard fans question whether these players are good enough for Spurs based on them not having the best of seasons, as if we had the best of seasons.

If we didn't have Kudus already I'd be up for getting Bowen if the manager wanted him. I prefer a fit Kudus to Bowen for our squad.



Maddison was a clear improvement for us, because we had nobody as a 10 since Eriksen which was years ago. You say he's easily improved upon, but we haven't yet have we? Let's hope we actually get MGW in this window. He can cover/backup RW too.

Similarly we have no fit senior LW, and we have't had one since Son. There are many players that would be an improvement on nothing, that would still not be good enough for some Spurs fans.

The evidence that Moore is of lower level is that he's out on loan rather than playing with the squad. I've also heard he's more of a ten that plays on the left, like Xavi, than he is an out and out left winger. Maybe they all need to go out on loan.

I'm glad you mentioned Lennon, absolute class despite, as far as I'm aware, no one being "in for him" but us and no 'big clubs' trying to prize him away since he joined us.

The upside that you're not talking about is the potential enthusiasm and loyalty to the club, if it's seen as a big move for the player rather than the lesser of the options, they are more likely to appreciate the move and the club.
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The reason we’ve been in these relegation messes is because of those players we signed, if we didn’t piss away monumental sums of money on mediocre players and actually signed some proper footballers we’d be nowhere near the messes we’ve found ourselves in. So the last thing we need to do is to then go and sign more of their ilk. Therefore right now it’s far better to sign no one than sign someone ****, we’ve got enough of it already and we need rid of it too.

De Zerbi doesn’t only need a balanced squad, he needs a good one. There’s 100s of good players both domestically and abroad.

The Robertson and Senesi signings are great free transfers. For once it’s smart business from Spurs. The money we can spend on fees though needs to go on players that aren’t Summerville’s level. Summerville and those of his calibre would only undo the good one in signing the two freebies.
 
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LockStock said:
If we signed none of the players you mentioned and didn't sign alternatives, we'd have ben relegated a long time ago. You can't just not sign players when your squad is short. You say they've not improved Tottenham one jot, but with a managers vision the same players won us the first cup in years, so there must have been be a benefit to having at least some of them. They are not all bad players.

I agree with the point of getting players that are far from relegation caliber.

I'm not advocating to sign more of any ilk or for any particular player. I am not De Zerbi. I'm advocating for giving the manager tools he wants to work with whatever that means to him.

Aim for the very top. Yes, but....

Leao appears to be pimping himself to Man United
Diomande apparently wants Liverpool
Yildiz seems to want to stay at Juve

Who else do you want at LW?

... If they don't want to come, or they want to use our attention to alert the teams they really wanna sign for because we as a team are not far from relegation caliber, and the kids aren't good enough, the manager has asked for experienced players, doing nothing likely means we end up in relegation battle again next season, probably without the manager too because why stay?

We'd have more injuries because we'd overwork the players we have.

Clearly you have to look at options that may be lower down the list either in other top leagues, or in lower domestic leagues. The manager needs to be the one who determines what the lowest acceptable level is on a case by case basis, based on what belief he has in his ability, in the ability of the players, and the kind of squad he wants to build.

The club must find a way to fill gaps with good options before we get to complete dross levels.

Signing nobody is not an option.

Arsenal are reportedly about to sign Jeremy Monga from Leicester. Not saying that we should be in for him, but if we were, certain Tottenham fans would be complaining about the league he's come from. They're now in league one. Dele Alli was a lower league risk we took that paid off.

De Zerbi needs a balanced squad. This is a basic and fundamental requirement. There are many players who are far from relegation caliber that Tottenham fans will turn their nose up at, before we even get to the likes of Summerville. A key tell is when they ask "why aren't the bigger clubs in for him if he's any good?". This is flawed logic.

If De Zerbi is in for him, that's enough for me.

We're in the process of signing Robinson and Senesi, I've seen some fans complain about that. If we signed Mitoma and Harry Wilson some would complain about that too, even though they would both add to our current squad. Van Hecke is someone who De Zerbi has reportedly shown interest in, and I've seen fans complain about that despite him being an improvement on Dragusin for example.

Then you have Ndaiye and Baleba level. I've already seen and heard fans question whether these players are good enough for Spurs based on them not having the best of seasons, as if we had the best of seasons.

If we didn't have Kudus already I'd be up for getting Bowen if the manager wanted him. I prefer a fit Kudus to Bowen for our squad.



Maddison was a clear improvement for us, because we had nobody as a 10 since Eriksen which was years ago. You say he's easily improved upon, but we haven't yet have we? Let's hope we actually get MGW in this window. He can cover/backup RW too.

Similarly we have no fit senior LW, and we have't had one since Son. There are many players that would be an improvement on nothing, that would still not be good enough for some Spurs fans.

The evidence that Moore is of lower level is that he's out on loan rather than playing with the squad. I've also heard he's more of a ten that plays on the left, like Xavi, than he is an out and out left winger. Maybe they all need to go out on loan.

I'm glad you mentioned Lennon, absolute class despite, as far as I'm aware, no one being "in for him" but us and no 'big clubs' trying to prize him away since he joined us.

The upside that you're not talking about is the potential enthusiasm and loyalty to the club, if it's seen as a big move for the player rather than the lesser of the options, they are more likely to appreciate the move and the club.
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We are severely limited in our spending power by the stadium loan covenants.

PS and I did the calculations a few years back and while we aren't 100% sure, the pattern suggests that we can't cross the threshold of circa £125m in fees and wages combined.

What does this translate into?

Every time we spend £50m on a supposedly 'good' player, we don't have enough left over to target the truly elite who today cost £80m+.

We've seen fourteen transfer windows in which we've tried to sign multiple players in the £40-60m bracket, instead of just saving the money and buying one player for £90-100m. I'm not saying players in the second bracket would want to join us, but we'll never know because we've never properly tried.

Meanwhile what we have tried doesn't work. We have seven years of evidence supporting this fact.

We urgently need a change in strategy. The Robertson and Senesi signings are an early indicator that this might be happening, as neither would have been looked at under Levy due to high wages and no sell-on value.

But to revert back to pursuing the likes of Summerville is exactly what we've been doing for fourteen windows that have singularly failed to deliver anything resembling improvement.
 
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LockStock said:
Exactly the kind of move hijack that I'd like to see us do. I don't trust Tottenham do execute though.
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The part I don't believe more than anything else is hearing the bid is £52m

Barca have a 50% sell-on clause, so unless we're planning a similar deal to Porro or Lo Celso which skews the split in favour of the club we're buying from, I honestly cannot see Betis being happy with £26m
 
Vulture Watch, Pt.2

So we've had the list of relegated players who might potentially be useful signings, now we move on to the list of players from clubs whose clubs grossly underperformed last season and may be in a spot of financial bother because of it, so there may be a means to get hold of them

Atalanta
Ederson (CM, 26yo, Brazil, contracted until 2028)
Gianluca Scamacca (CF, 27yo, Italy, contracted until 2027)
Charles De Ketelaere (AM, 25yo, Belgium, contracted until 2028)
Nikola Krstovic (LW/CF, 26yo, Montenegro, contracted until 2030)

Athletic Bilbao
Nico WIlliams (LW, 23yo, Spain, contracted until 2035??????????????????????????)

Chelsea
Enzo Fernandez (CM, 25yo, Argentina, contracted until 2032)
Joao Pedro (AM, 23yo, Brazil, contracted until 2033)
...yeah, **** that

Eintracht Frankfurt
Ritsu Doan (RW, 27yo, Japan, contracted until 2030, the most Reddit-coded signing we could make)
Jonathan Burkhardt (CF, 25y, Germany, contracted until 2030)
Faires Chaibi (CM, 23yo, Algeria, contracted until 2028)
Arthur Theate (CB, 260yo, Belgium, contracted until 2029)
Arnaud Kalimuendo (AM, 24yo, France, ...and on loan from Nottingham Forest with a buy option)
Michy Batshuayi (CF, 32yo, Belgium, contracted until 2027, there's still time...!)

Juventus
Manuel Locatelli (DM/CM, 28yo, Italy, contracted until 2030)
Kenan Yildiz (AM, 21yo, Turkey, contracted until 2030)
Bremer (CB, 29yo, Brazil, contracted until 2029)
Jonathan David (AM/CF, 26yo, Canada, contracted until 2030)
Dusan Vlahovic (CF, 26yo, Serbia, contracted until 2026, hey remember when he was the succession plan for Harry Kane...?)
Weston McKennie (CM/DM,. 27yo, USA, contracted until 2030, wouldn't be a transfer window without him being linked)

Middlesbrough
Hayden Hackney (DM/CM, 23yo, England, contracted until 2027)

Newcastle
Bruno Guimaraes (DM, 28yo, Brazil, contracted until 2028, would be fun to see if he could foul with impunity in a Spurs shirt)
Malick Thiaw (CB, 24yo, Germany, contracted until 2029)

Nottingham Forest
Morgan Gibbs-White (AM, 26yo, England, contracted until 2028, Lard Ass Hogan might keel over if we get him this time)
Elliot Anderson (CM, 23yo, England, contracted until 2029, definitely going to be a transfer mosh pit)
Neco Williams (LB/RB, 25yo, Wales, contracted until 2029)
Omari Hutchinson (AM, 23yo, England, contracted until 2030)

Valencia
Javi Guerra (CM/AM, 23yo, Spain, contracted until 2029)
Hugo Duro (CF/LW, 26yo, Spain, contracted until 2028)
Largie Ramazani (LW, 25yo, Belgium, ...and on loan from Leeds)
Arnaut Danjuma (...what?)
 
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Sounds like Palhinha does wanna join us according to Romano. Sporting are waiting in the wings though if we don’t agree a deal.
 
Brazilian reports saying we’ve opened talks with City for Savinho. Oh goody, another winger with all flair but no idea to join Tel and Odobert.

Romano saying Porro - and Dumfries - are being considered by Madrid as RB targets.
 
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Dier Hard said:
Brazilian reports saying we’ve opened talks with City for Savinho. Oh goody, another winger with all flair but no idea to join Tel and Odobert.

Romano saying Porro - and Dumfries - are being considered by Madrid as RB targets.
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2 goals in 53 appearances for one of the best teams in the country.

What on earth we see in him, I do not know.

I hope to be proven wrong, but this smacks of placing another £50m obstacle in Mikey Moore's way.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
2 goals in 53 appearances for one of the best teams in the country.

What on earth we see in him, I do not know.

I hope to be proven wrong, but this smacks of placing another £50m obstacle in Mikey Moore's way.
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You and me both.

Just don’t know what’s gotten into the club over the last few years. This obsession with overpaying for mediocrity is absolutely killing us.
 
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