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But if Liverpool get Iraola…….

I'm not too worried about this, although I probably should be.

Bottom line is Senesi is a good player, but he's nowhere near the level Liverpool will be looking to sign. They need a long term successor for VVD and he isn't it. So unless he wants to very quickly become backup to a better player, he won't move there.
 
Though if we’re playing a real life football manager and I actually had the choice, I’d go for Rafa Leao. Proven in a top league over a number of years, averages almost a goal or assist every other game, CL pedigree, has the right physicality for the Prem and is rumoured to be considering his options. Can be a bit patchy but on his day he’s absolutely unplayable and probably the best calibre/ pedigree LW out there Spurs could get.

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I'm not too worried about this, although I probably should be.

Bottom line is Senesi is a good player, but he's nowhere near the level Liverpool will be looking to sign. They need a long term successor for VVD and he isn't it. So unless he wants to very quickly become backup to a better player, he won't move there.
Agree....and it sort of epitomises our club too.
We talk a lot on here about raising the bar in recruitment, going for established quality rather than potential youngsters etc - then we get our sights set on looking to replace a CB position with a mid-PL player (almost journeyman) with no strong international pedigree.
That's not a dig at Senesi who has done a job at Bournemouth and is a decent player, but would he be a step up on either Romero or VdV (if he goes?). Is he an improvement on Kevin Danso? Arguably. Dragusin? Certainly, but he wouldn't be coming to Spurs to be 3rd or 4th CB. And most importantly, would he be better than Vuskovic? No way!
 
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Agree....and it sort of epitomises our club too.
We talk a lot on here about raising the bar in recruitment, going for established quality rather than potential youngsters etc - then we get our sights set on looking to replace a CB position with a mid-PL player (almost journeyman) with no strong international pedigree.
That's not a dig at Senesi who has done a job at Bournemouth and is a decent player, but would he be a step up on either Romero or VdV (if he goes?). Is he an improvement on Kevin Danso? Arguably. Dragusin? Certainly, but he wouldn't be coming to Spurs to be 3rd or 4th CB. And most importantly, would he be better than Vuskovic? No way!
Agreed and I’ve touched on this before quite a few times. A lot of fans have wanted/ still want Romero to leave but haven’t seemingly appreciated the fact that he’s almost certainly a player we won’t immediately improve on - at a time where we really need to improve the squad.

Senesi however is at least a decent player and in his prime. I’m almost certain the drop from Romero to Senesi won’t be as bad as the drops from Kane to Richarlison/ Solanke or Son to Tel/ Odobert.

Improving LW and ST along with other spots this summer is imperative to ensure that we don’t continue declining the whole squad as improving in two areas but declining in one should in theory still allow us to move a step forward, even if small.
 
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Agreed and I’ve touched on this before quite a few times. A lot of fans have wanted/ still want Romero to leave but haven’t seemingly appreciated the fact that he’s almost certainly a player we won’t immediately improve on - at a time where we really need to improve the squad.

Senesi however is at least a decent player and in his prime. I’m almost certain the drop from Romero to Senesi won’t be as bad as the drops from Kane to Richarlison/ Solanke or Son to Tel/ Odobert.

Improving LW and ST along with other spots this summer is imperative to ensure that we don’t continue declining the whole squad as improving in two areas but declining in one should in theory still allow us to move a step forward, even if small.
As someone who isn't a big fan of Romero I certainly agree that the stability that a Senesi might bring at the back will counter the better parts of Romero's game that we will lose. (At this stage I'm assuming he's leaving tbh).

VdV's departure is less certain now and the prospect of bringing in Vuskovic - who is ready - with Danso and maybe Phillips as backups looks to be more than sufficient for a non-European season.

What a worries me is that we **** up the relationship with Vuskovic who imho we should be looking to build around. But maybe the club already knows that Micky is on the move, so that might change the recruitment dynamics?
 
As someone who isn't a big fan of Romero I certainly agree that the stability that a Senesi might bring at the back will counter the better parts of Romero's game that we will lose. (At this stage I'm assuming he's leaving tbh).

VdV's departure is less certain now and the prospect of bringing in Vuskovic - who is ready - with Danso and maybe Phillips as backups looks to be more than sufficient for a non-European season.

What a worries me is that we **** up the relationship with Vuskovic who imho we should be looking to build around. But maybe the club already knows that Micky is on the move, so that might change the recruitment dynamics?
I think van de Ven will stay unless a bid from out of the blue comes. We can almost guarantee Romero will be in one of the Madrid shirts this summer but I’m less certain of where I can see van de Ven going.

As for Vuskovic I think he will probably benefit from one more year away. Strong argument to suggest he's already ready but I think one more year of 30+ starts guarantees it. If we brought him back now just to compete with Senesi/ van de Ven/ Danso etc it’d feel like a wasted decision. If we assume he continues developing at the rate he is then next summer he walks into our XI over every CB. Sort of like what Arsenal did with Saliba, a lot of their fans felt he should/ could have played for them a year or two prior but when he did return he went straight in.
 
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Why one earth would you actively want bad players at this club?

There’s no logic to that. We’ve just finished 17th for the second season in a row and you’re advocating to sign players who won’t improve us one jot?

Summerville also isn’t a PL player now is he? He’s been relegated… for the second time. You wanting him to make it a hat trick or something?

Aim higher for Christ sake, it’s no wonder we find ourselves in the positions we’ve been if fans think players like Summerville are gonna help us.
Obviously we should aim high.

You seem to be ignoring the fact players are aiming high too, and some of them, as we have seen, will say they are 'open' when in truth they're stalling for 'better' options and trying to make themselves look more attractive to other teams.

I think we should make offers for top tier players early, but if they not serious about joining quickly then we should simply get the best option that is actually eager to move as quickly as the manager would like.

I'm not advocating for any particular player at LW. I like the look of Leao and the other top tier options. I however also believe that the absolute worst thing to do is to get nobody at all.

I'd like us to move quickly for MGW too, I think we need another, Kulusevski type, versatile option. Who knows when he is returning?

Getting nobody at all for any of our empty positions looks too much like preparing for another relegation battle. At least balance the squad. It's the bare minimum. Do it quickly to allow the manager the preseason that he desires.

We got Trippier from a relegated team if I remember, it's not the worst thing provided the manger wants, and can work with, the player.

This celebrating who we were in for when not getting them is up there with the most embarrassing and cringeworthy things I've seen a manger do.

We finally have a manger who can improve players, and he hasn't even driven his principles forward yet. For goodness sake, give him the tools to build the team, swiftly.

There is a huge opportunity next season with Pep gone and many new managers starting in top teams, the most organised team can make serious moves up the table before others are even settled.

That needs to be us.

Urgency is required.
 
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Obviously we should aim high.

You seem to be ignoring the fact players are aiming high too, and some of them, as we have seen, will say they are 'open' when in truth they're stalling for 'better' options and trying to make themselves look mire attractive to other teams.

I think we should make offers for top tier players early, but if they not serious about joining quickly then we should simply get the best option that is actually eager to move as quickly as the manager would like.

I'm not advocating for any particular player at LW. I like the look of Leao and the other top tier options. I however also believe that the absolute worst thing to do is to get nobody at all.

I'd like us to move quickly for MGW too, I think we need another, Kulusevski type, versatile option. Who knows when he is returning?

Getting nobody at all for any of our empty positions looks too much like preparing for another relegation battle. At least balance the squad. It's the bare minimum. Do it quickly to allow the manager the preseason that he desires.

We got Trippier from a relegated team if I remember, it's not the worst thing provided the manger wants, and can work with, the player.

This celebrating who we were in for when not getting them is up there with the most embarrassing and cringeworthy things I've seen a manger do.

We finally have a manger who can improve players, and he hasn't even driven his principles forward yet. For goodness sake, give him the tools to build the team, swiftly.

There is a huge opportunity next season with Pep gone and many new managers starting in top teams, the most organised team can make serious moves up the table before others are even settled.

That needs to be us.

Urgency is required.
Nobody is better than a bad player though.

You can’t reinforce or strengthen with bad players, all that does is speed up a club’s decline. This club’s literally been the prime example of that.

Tel and Odobert are ****, adding Summerville to that doesn’t strengthen us, it just adds more ****. We don’t improve from it.

You say give the manager tools, giving him Summerville is basically providing him with a glass hammer.

Getting good signings done urgently is key, getting bad signings done at any time is definitely not key.
 
Obviously we should aim high.

You seem to be ignoring the fact players are aiming high too, and some of them, as we have seen, will say they are 'open' when in truth they're stalling for 'better' options and trying to make themselves look mire attractive to other teams.

I think we should make offers for top tier players early, but if they not serious about joining quickly then we should simply get the best option that is actually eager to move as quickly as the manager would like.

I'm not advocating for any particular player at LW. I like the look of Leao and the other top tier options. I however also believe that the absolute worst thing to do is to get nobody at all.

I'd like us to move quickly for MGW too, I think we need another, Kulusevski type, versatile option. Who knows when he is returning?

Getting nobody at all for any of our empty positions looks too much like preparing for another relegation battle. At least balance the squad. It's the bare minimum. Do it quickly to allow the manager the preseason that he desires.

We got Trippier from a relegated team if I remember, it's not the worst thing provided the manger wants, and can work with, the player.

This celebrating who we were in for when not getting them is up there with the most embarrassing and cringeworthy things I've seen a manger do.

We finally have a manger who can improve players, and he hasn't even driven his principles forward yet. For goodness sake, give him the tools to build the team, swiftly.

There is a huge opportunity next season with Pep gone and many new managers starting in top teams, the most organised team can make serious moves up the table before others are even settled.

That needs to be us.

Urgency is required.

FWIW I never rated Trippier and imo the fact that we tried to replace Walker with him and Aurier should have told us everything we needed to know about ENIC's approach to squad building. Both massive downgrades.
 
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FWIW I never rated Trippier and imo the fact that we tried to replace Walker with him and Aurier should have told us everything we needed to know about ENIC's approach to squad building. Both massive downgrades.
IIRC the early part of the window we were looking at the likes of Riccardo Pereira, which didn't manifest for various reasons (I recall missing the window for a release clause was one of them, but don't quote me on that) and Aurier felt like a Big Signing comparatively later

The thing is, that was the worst choice since we then had Tripper and Aurier both wanting to start, and Tripper was reportedly demanding a chance to establish himself as first choice, when the right move would have been to have Tripper first-choice with Pereira growing into a starter over the course of a season or two, or at a push Tripper starter with KWP developing (albeit this would be a longer timeline than Pereira)
 
Nobody is better than a bad player though.

You can’t reinforce or strengthen with bad players, all that does is speed up a club’s decline. This club’s literally been the prime example of that.

Tel and Odobert are ****, adding Summerville to that doesn’t strengthen us, it just adds more ****. We don’t improve from it.

You say give the manager tools, giving him Summerville is basically providing him with a glass hammer.

Getting good signings done urgently is key, getting bad signings done at any time is definitely not key.

So you'd rather the manager knock nails in with his bare hands and thin air for at least six months? <laugh>

If he tells you he can use a glass hammer, give him a glass hammer! He's already made lemonade with some absolute lemons.

If De Zerbi believes that Summerville or anybody else is good for his team, and they want to come, then get the player.

Of course we shouldn't get bad players. The manager has asked for top players. This manager has earned the right to be the judge of who is good for his philosophy much more than Lange or Vinai have, also more than you or I. He may have seen things that we have not.

De Zerbi has asked for a balanced squad with top players ready to work in pre-season. To go into another season with an unbalanced squad now, especially with the injuries we are carrying is inexcusable.

My concern generally is that we have this belief that certain experienced players are not good enough for Tottenham, when actually they may well good enough to build a squad with. The manager should be the final judge. Especially after what he has just achieved and in the absence to a DOF with any significant authority.

He's earned the right to be trusted. Obviously, don't give him tools he doesn't want, but definitely don't bandage his hand and tell him to keep knocking nails in with bloodied fingers.

FWIW I never rated Trippier and imo the fact that we tried to replace Walker with him and Aurier should have told us everything we needed to know about ENIC's approach to squad building. Both massive downgrades.

If we were relegated, do you not think that our squad wouldn't be picked apart by bigger teams?

Trippier was a solid member of the squad and when he and Walker rotated and competed, we were arguably at our strongest level, regardless of what you I or anyone thinks of him as a player. The Rose/Davies Walker/Trippier era was arguably the last time we acheived anywhere near exemplary balance as a squad in those positions.

Swapping Walker out for Aurier was the bigger issue in my opinion. The Walker sale was a key point of trajectory change.

Obviously Trippier was backup to Walker, so the comparison is not ideal because we don't have a very good LW at the moment and we need one.

Maddison is probably a better example of how it's not always the worst thing to get relegated players, and I'd still rather he was backup to a MGW at this stage, for example.

Ideally we wouldn't have to consider these options, but there are many teams above us in the league as far as options for players.

Man U last season, after a sliding doors moment in the EL final, gave us the best example of how to move in a crucial window with big swift moves that add goals to the team. We were left twiddling our thumbs in comparison, and now look at the league.

We need big bold moves right at the beginning of the window, but we shouldn't be held hostage by indecisive and uncertain players. We need top players who actually are convinced that they want to play for the team and are ready to join with speed. If not the best and biggest players, then the next ones down the list who De Zerbi wants to work with, who have both enough experience to compete, and potential to improve.

Build the bloody squad.

The way some people are talking, you'd think the motto is To Dare Is To Dawdle.

The time for dawdling is done. Go hard or go home.
 
So you'd rather the manager knock nails in with his bare hands and thin air for at least six months? <laugh>

If he tells you he can use a glass hammer, give him a glass hammer! He's already made lemonade with some absolute lemons.

If De Zerbi believes that Summerville or anybody else is good for his team, and they want to come, then get the player.

Of course we shouldn't get bad players. The manager has asked for top players. This manager has earned the right to be the judge of who is good for his philosophy much more than Lange or Vinai have, also more than you or I. He may have seen things that we have not.

De Zerbi has asked for a balanced squad with top players ready to work in pre-season. To go into another season with an unbalanced squad now, especially with the injuries we are carrying is inexcusable.

My concern generally is that we have this belief that certain experienced players are not good enough for Tottenham, when actually they may well good enough to build a squad with. The manager should be the final judge. Especially after what he has just achieved and in the absence to a DOF with any significant authority.

He's earned the right to be trusted. Obviously, don't give him tools he doesn't want, but definitely don't bandage his hand and tell him to keep knocking nails in with bloodied fingers.



If we were relegated, do you not think that our squad wouldn't be picked apart by bigger teams?

Trippier was a solid member of the squad and when he and Walker rotated and competed, we were arguably at our strongest level, regardless of what you I or anyone thinks of him as a player. The Rose/Davies Walker/Trippier era was arguably the last time we acheived anywhere near exemplary balance as a squad in those positions.

Swapping Walker out for Aurier was the bigger issue in my opinion. The Walker sale was a key point of trajectory change.

Obviously Trippier was backup to Walker, so the comparison is not ideal because we don't have a very good LW at the moment and we need one.

Maddison is probably a better example of how it's not always the worst thing to get relegated players, and I'd still rather he was backup to a MGW at this stage, for example.

Ideally we wouldn't have to consider these options, but there are many teams above us in the league as far as options for players.

Man U last season, after a sliding doors moment in the EL final, gave us the best example of how to move in a crucial window with big swift moves that add goals to the team. We were left twiddling our thumbs in comparison, and now look at the league.

We need big bold moves right at the beginning of the window, but we shouldn't be held hostage by indecisive and uncertain players. We need top players who actually are convinced that they want to play for the team and are ready to join with speed. If not the best and biggest players, then the next ones down the list who De Zerbi wants to work with, who have both enough experience to compete, and potential to improve.

Build the bloody squad.

The way some people are talking, you'd think the motto is To Dare Is To Dawdle.

The time for dawdling is done. Go hard or go home.
No I would rather this club put an end to signing bad players and start bringing in ones that make a difference. But if the choice is bad player or nobody, I’m picking nobody and would then just rather invest time in our academy because they won’t be any worse and won’t set us back £50m either.

Just look at what we’ve signed over the last few years:
Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher, Gray, Tel, Odobert, Dragusin, Simons etc.

£100ms spent on players that haven’t improved Tottenham one jot and yet you’re advocating to sign more of that ilk? We just survived relegation and you’re backing the notion to sign a player that’s been relegated twice with two different clubs? Do you not see how backwards that thinking is?

What De Zerbi has earned is to be backed significantly in this market with players that are of nowhere near relegation calibre. Give him those and we may just see ourselves back into the top six quicker than we’d expect, give him the Summervilles of the world and brace for another year trying to finish above 18th.
 
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So you'd rather the manager knock nails in with his bare hands and thin air for at least six months? <laugh>

If he tells you he can use a glass hammer, give him a glass hammer! He's already made lemonade with some absolute lemons.

If De Zerbi believes that Summerville or anybody else is good for his team, and they want to come, then get the player.

Of course we shouldn't get bad players. The manager has asked for top players. This manager has earned the right to be the judge of who is good for his philosophy much more than Lange or Vinai have, also more than you or I. He may have seen things that we have not.

De Zerbi has asked for a balanced squad with top players ready to work in pre-season. To go into another season with an unbalanced squad now, especially with the injuries we are carrying is inexcusable.

My concern generally is that we have this belief that certain experienced players are not good enough for Tottenham, when actually they may well good enough to build a squad with. The manager should be the final judge. Especially after what he has just achieved and in the absence to a DOF with any significant authority.

He's earned the right to be trusted. Obviously, don't give him tools he doesn't want, but definitely don't bandage his hand and tell him to keep knocking nails in with bloodied fingers.



If we were relegated, do you not think that our squad wouldn't be picked apart by bigger teams?

Trippier was a solid member of the squad and when he and Walker rotated and competed, we were arguably at our strongest level, regardless of what you I or anyone thinks of him as a player. The Rose/Davies Walker/Trippier era was arguably the last time we acheived anywhere near exemplary balance as a squad in those positions.

Swapping Walker out for Aurier was the bigger issue in my opinion. The Walker sale was a key point of trajectory change.

Obviously Trippier was backup to Walker, so the comparison is not ideal because we don't have a very good LW at the moment and we need one.

Maddison is probably a better example of how it's not always the worst thing to get relegated players, and I'd still rather he was backup to a MGW at this stage, for example.

Ideally we wouldn't have to consider these options, but there are many teams above us in the league as far as options for players.

Man U last season, after a sliding doors moment in the EL final, gave us the best example of how to move in a crucial window with big swift moves that add goals to the team. We were left twiddling our thumbs in comparison, and now look at the league.

We need big bold moves right at the beginning of the window, but we shouldn't be held hostage by indecisive and uncertain players. We need top players who actually are convinced that they want to play for the team and are ready to join with speed. If not the best and biggest players, then the next ones down the list who De Zerbi wants to work with, who have both enough experience to compete, and potential to improve.

Build the bloody squad.

The way some people are talking, you'd think the motto is To Dare Is To Dawdle.

The time for dawdling is done. Go hard or go home.

My qualm with Trippier had nothing to do with the fact that he was part of a relegated teams. I just personally never rated him and think we got noticeably worse when he played.

But now that you mention the point, I will add that I think it is improbable to the point of absurdity for a top 6 side to pick up a player from a relegated team who will significantly improve them. When was the last time anything like that happened?

Relegated players are usually relegated because they aren't good enough. Maddison was a good signing but as you've said, he isn't amazing and can easily be upgraded - and this is a player supposedly in his prime. Unless I'm forgetting someone, we'd have to go back to Lennon and Robinson for the last time we signed players from a relegated team who were clear improvements, and that came before we were seen as a top 6 club.

A quick Google of the topic supports this. In the past two decades, only the following names really stand out:
Jordan Pickford (relegated with Sunderland)
Andy Robertson (relegated with Hull)
Georgino Wijnaldum (relegated with Newcastle)


Of the hundreds of players who have gone down in the past 20 years, only 3 stand out as excellent signings for the clubs who took a chance on them.

If we intend to continue shopping in Aldi, I'd sooner we give our academy products a chance first. There is little evidence any of Tel, Odobert or Summerville are any better than Mikey Moore.
 
Multiple reports saying we've officially signalled our intent not to pursue Palhinha on a permanent contract.

He'll go down in the books as one of the main reasons we stayed up, not least for his crucial goals which technically earned us 7 points.
 
Multiple reports saying we've officially signalled our intent not to pursue Palhinha on a permanent contract.

He'll go down in the books as one of the main reasons we stayed up, not least for his crucial goals which technically earned us 7 points.
I know he divided a bit of opinion but I think it’s a shame as he was very good when he played, no idea why there was such a long spell of him not being picked.

Lots of pitchforks already out on social media but from all reports, it’s his choice to go to sporting due to family and not much the club could have done.

With Bissouma seemingly leaving as well (not that I would advocate keeping him anyway) leaves us again short at DM.