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I think we need to have our most ruthless summer ever.

Any player classed as average or below should be immediately up for sale.
Three of Tel, Odobert, Bergvall, Gray and Kinsky should be moved on because we don’t have the time to wait for them all to come good.
Even our top stars should have a price tag, no player here is in Kane/ Son territory, nor even Eriksen/ Dembele/ Vertonghen territory.

If it were down to me, I’d be saying goodbye to the following:
Vicario
Davies
Dragusin
Romero (will want out)
Phillips
Dorrington
Bissouma
Sarr
Bergvall (top prospect but don’t see a role under RDZ)
Devine
Tel
Odobert
Solomon
Donley (really like Donley but I don’t see a path here for him)
Richarlison
Solanke
Scarlett (poorly thought out loans killed his development)

I’d love to add Gallagher but we know that’s not happening so soon.
 
Carlos Baleba, Bart Verbruggen and Jan Paul Van Hecke are wanted by De Zerbi along with the likes of Andy Robertson, John Stones and James Trafford.

As Per @MiguelDelaney
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
It can be, after all Arsenal's squad is cobbled together from players Los Ladrones and the Mansourites didn't want

The problem with Savinho is last summer made him a white whale, and our track record with those is...well let's call it "Patchy", as on the one hand it did get us Maddison - but on the other it got us Ndombele
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Arsenal have four World Class Players though in Gabriel, Saliba, Rice and Saka. We don't have any and won't get them by this route.
 
Billy The Spur said:
Carlos Baleba, Bart Verbruggen and Jan Paul Van Hecke are wanted by De Zerbi along with the likes of Andy Robertson, John Stones and James Trafford.

As Per @MiguelDelaney
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De Zerbi knows the Brighton boys so you have to back his judgement on them

Robertson is a no brainer, stones is good but injury prone so big worry for me . James Trafford would be a very good signing.
 
Well it looks like the board have found their scapegoat in Lange, which the section of our fanbase who are determined to find one person to blame everything on are happy with

But here's the problem: the spine of the Villa squad which just won the Europa League were brought in under Lange's tenure, players such as Emi Martinez, Youri Tielemans, Pau Lopes, (****) Matty Cash, Emiliano Buendia, Ollie Watkins, Lucas Digne, Leon Bailey and probably a few others

This certainly suggests that Lange had a wider remit at Villa than he did for us, especially considering Tielemans and Lopes were both heavily linked with us yet we barely mustered anything approaching an approach for either, so he's been set up to fail from the outset - and gladly gone along with it, based on the corpospeak-riddled statements he's been given to read after every window
 
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God I hope this doesn’t happen. He’s the exact type of problematic signing we’ve been making all too often over recent years - overpriced mediocrity.

Bit concerning that he’s been linked under both Frank and De Zerbi too, feels like this is a club signing more than one for the manager.
 
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KingHotspur said:
De Zerbi knows the Brighton boys so you have to back his judgement on them

Robertson is a no brainer, stones is good but injury prone so big worry for me . James Trafford would be a very good signing.
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I'd be worried about signing players from Brighton. Same for Brentford or Bmouth or any other well-run club.

They look superb playing in a consistent and sensible system, then they move to this circus and look Sunday league.
 
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God I hope this doesn’t happen. He’s the exact type of problematic signing we’ve been making all too often over recent years - overpriced mediocrity.

Bit concerning that he’s been linked under both Frank and De Zerbi too, feels like this is a club signing more than one for the manager.
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And a peculiar one at that.

I can understand the desire to have a flutter on the likes of Bergvall, Sarr and Udogie. For £10-20m a pop it's well worth a go.

But splashing £50-60m on the likes of Simons or Savinho (Gray probably deserves to be in this sentence too, sadly) is just such a risk. Forget the pressure and need to impress almost immediately for that money, they'd then need to develop to the level of prime Modric or Bale for us to turn a nice profit on that kind of outlay.

Imo our sweet spot strategy in the market for the foreseeable future must be combining cheaper young flutters with the likes of Senesi and Robertson - experienced players on their final big contract. We have to accept that this is who we are right now, and any transfer in between those is more than likely to see us have our trousers taken down.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
I'd be worried about signing players from Brighton. Same for Brentford or Bmouth or any other well-run club.

They look superb playing in a consistent and sensible system, then they move to this circus and look Sunday league.
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Frank looked Sunday league with us but certainly looked ready for better things when he was at Brentford

There is definitely something about us
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
I'd be worried about signing players from Brighton. Same for Brentford or Bmouth or any other well-run club.

They look superb playing in a consistent and sensible system, then they move to this circus and look Sunday league.
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I agree but at some point Spurs have to back a manager properly and if De Zerbi wants former players then at least you know he rates them and sees them in his Spurs side.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
And a peculiar one at that.

I can understand the desire to have a flutter on the likes of Bergvall, Sarr and Udogie. For £10-20m a pop it's well worth a go.

But splashing £50-60m on the likes of Simons or Savinho (Gray probably deserves to be in this sentence too, sadly) is just such a risk. Forget the pressure and need to impress almost immediately for that money, they'd then need to develop to the level of prime Modric or Bale for us to turn a nice profit on that kind of outlay.

Imo our sweet spot strategy in the market for the foreseeable future must be combining cheaper young flutters with the likes of Senesi and Robertson - experienced players on their final big contract. We have to accept that this is who we are right now, and any transfer in between those is more than likely to see us have our trousers taken down.
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I’ve often been a fan of going for potential but for the next year or two I think we need to scrap it.

We’ve got enough young players at present who are still years away from amounting to anything (if they even will at all).

I don’t quite think we’re as unattractive as you think though. The Prem in general is growing more and more each year thanks to its financial strength and for as bad as we’ve been, we’re at the upper tier of that financial strength. I think we can attract some top, top players both domestically and from Europe. Senesi is almost proof of that, supposedly agreed to join us from a high flying Bournemouth that’s qualified for Europa shows the clout we still possess. Outside of Bayern, Barca, Madrid and Paris, plus the usual big dogs over here, Spurs can attract pretty much the majority of players at any other club. Problem is we seemingly prefer spunking stupid amounts on absolute ****e.
 
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I’ve often been a fan of going for potential but for the next year or two I think we need to scrap it.

We’ve got enough young players at present who are still years away from amounting to anything (if they even will at all).

I don’t quite think we’re as unattractive as you think though. The Prem in general is growing more and more each year thanks to its financial strength and for as bad as we’ve been, we’re at the upper tier of that financial strength. I think we can attract some top, top players both domestically and from Europe. Senesi is almost proof of that, supposedly agreed to join us from a high flying Bournemouth that’s qualified for Europa shows the clout we still possess. Outside of Bayern, Barca, Madrid and Paris, plus the usual big dogs over here, Spurs can attract pretty much the majority of players at any other club. Problem is we seemingly prefer spunking stupid amounts on absolute ****e.
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You're right but we all know if any of Liverpool, City, Arsenal, United and possibly Chelsea move for one of our targets, we miss out on them.

Senesi is a case in point. Of the above, only Chelsea have been linked and that was tenuous at best.

A player of genuine quality won't join us as soon as one of those expresses interest, which is exactly what happened with Guehi and Semenyo.

There is no comparison to the other major leagues where you simply don't have a situation where a club as big as us is still only the fifth or sixth biggest in pull, wages and revenue in the league.

We've tried the strategy of signing ready made players and that's why we've ended up with the likes of Richarlison, Solanke, and Gallagher. It doesn't work and won't until we genuinely start to reel in at least two of those clubs. Chelsea are ripe for picking imo. If the authorities have any backbone they'll take City to the cleaners and that might start to open a bit of a clearer field. But for the moment, we are stuck.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
I'd be worried about signing players from Brighton. Same for Brentford or Bmouth or any other well-run club.

They look superb playing in a consistent and sensible system, then they move to this circus and look Sunday league.
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My rule of thumb is similar: ask why Dortmund (or a club of similar status) don't seem too fussed at that one player leaving

A whole bunch of clubs make that mistake
 
Citizen Kane. said:
You're right but we all know if any of Liverpool, City, Arsenal, United and possibly Chelsea move for one of our targets, we miss out on them.

Senesi is a case in point. Of the above, only Chelsea have been linked and that was tenuous at best.

A player of genuine quality won't join us as soon as one of those expresses interest, which is exactly what happened with Guehi and Semenyo.

There is no comparison to the other major leagues where you simply don't have a situation where a club as big as us is still only the fifth or sixth biggest in pull, wages and revenue in the league.

We've tried the strategy of signing ready made players and that's why we've ended up with the likes of Richarlison, Solanke, and Gallagher. It doesn't work and won't until we genuinely start to reel in at least two of those clubs. Chelsea are ripe for picking imo. If the authorities have any backbone they'll take City to the cleaners and that might start to open a bit of a clearer field. But for the moment, we are stuck.
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There are 100s of good players across Europe though. The chances of us going for the exact same player as those or the big dogs in Europe are actually quite slim.

We could’ve signed Semenyo last summer when City weren’t interested. We didn’t, left it til Jan where City were then interested and obviously we got dicked over. Timing can be an important factor and we’ve gotten that wrong a lot in recent years.

In terms of ready made players, the three we ended up with are prime examples of ones who’ve proven next to nothing yet our hierarchy thinking differently. Hence why it’s the hierarchy we all pretty much unanimously agree need changing. Stevie Wonder could tell all three of those players are ****, 95% of this fan base knew it yet the ones in power didn’t and hey presto we’re left with three painfully overpriced players and now seemingly want to add another in Savinho. Injuries aside, Maddison and Kudus are the types of players who we can attract/ should target more of in terms of good ready made Prem ballers. If we built a team or squad of those types, Spurs are back in the top six/ top four easily, I just don’t trust our board to do that often enough.
 
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