Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL

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I wondered about the whole separate competition thing - do we know for sure the rule covers these additional games?

I imagine they do, but would be funny as **** if they didnt.

Yeah. The regulations define a "league match" as a match which takes place during the league competition. Whereas this specific regulation, 127, simply refers to "any match" - ie the regulation doesn't restrict itself only to a "league match".
 
I've been suspicious of Middlesbrough's "evidence" from the beginning. The way they've been trickling evidence to friendly press, demanding Middlesbrough take Saints place in the playoff final and presenting what they have in an emotive way rather than providing a professional dossier raises too many questions.

What they really wanted was a war of words with Saints who have kept quiet and kept their powder dry throughout, refusing to play Middlesbrough's game.

Until we know Saints version of events and the panel's findings, we know nothing for sure.

One person we also haven't heard from is Will Salt himself. He is the one person in the country who knows everything.

Now Middlesbrough have become quieter. That tells me that they have nothing left to offer and have been told to shut up by their legal team.

My guess is that tomorrow, Saints will be found innocent of the worst charges, however, will be guilty of a technicality and will receive a small fine. Middlesbrough will then be censored for misrepresentating evidence and releasing it publicly before the allegations could be investigated. Hopefully the EFL will charge Middlesbrough too.
The bit in bold would be the funniest thing ever.
 
I've been suspicious of Middlesbrough's "evidence" from the beginning. The way they've been trickling evidence to friendly press, demanding Middlesbrough take Saints place in the playoff final and presenting what they have in an emotive way rather than providing a professional dossier raises too many questions.

What they really wanted was a war of words with Saints who have kept quiet and kept their powder dry throughout, refusing to play Middlesbrough's game.

Until we know Saints version of events and the panel's findings, we know nothing for sure.

One person we also haven't heard from is Will Salt himself. He is the one person in the country who knows everything.

Now Middlesbrough have become quieter. That tells me that they have nothing left to offer and have been told to shut up by their legal team.

My guess is that tomorrow, Saints will be found innocent of the worst charges, however, will be guilty of a technicality and will receive a small fine. Middlesbrough will then be censored for misrepresentating evidence and releasing it publicly before the allegations could be investigated. Hopefully the EFL will charge Middlesbrough too.

Good friend of mine is a big sports lawyer. He said that Boro have a weak case, so are trying to win in the court of public opinion, which is a classic football thing to do.
 
If the independent panel look at sanctions then they may look at a precedent set by FIFA already.

The Canadian Womens Football team were found guilty of spying at the 2024 Olympics. 6 point penalty for their group effectively knocking them out of the tournament , a fine , the coach banned for a year.
It's a tricky one as the Canadian men's team did the same thing a week or two before the women's and they just got a fine and the accreditation for the drone operator revoked. The women's team had been caught doing the same thing previously. Also, in the Olympics case, it involved the French police so there were aggravating factors which was why they had such a punishment.
 
Good friend of mine is a big sports lawyer. He said that Boro have a weak case, so are trying to win in the court of public opinion, which is a classic football thing to do.
Did he have any real comment on how much the public opinion thing potentially matters? I’d like to think “not at all”

The way Boro have conducted themselves most notably :

- the call by Gibson to Jordan and then him obviously changing position
- making it known they had hired “mr loophole”
- leaking the picture

And the biggest :

- the statement on Friday

Does seem to back up this “weak case and trying to get the press to decide it” view. But I’m speaking from bias

I’m hoping they get a charge or some kind of stern warning (that will hopefully be enough to discourage a further lawsuit against us) regardless of the outcome
 
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I think Boro are just now trying to throw as much mud as they can to hope it sticks. Though notable that nothing since the Friday statement. I think behind the scenes they got a warning about that
 
I've been suspicious of Middlesbrough's "evidence" from the beginning. The way they've been trickling evidence to friendly press, demanding Middlesbrough take Saints place in the playoff final and presenting what they have in an emotive way rather than providing a professional dossier raises too many questions.

What they really wanted was a war of words with Saints who have kept quiet and kept their powder dry throughout, refusing to play Middlesbrough's game.

Until we know Saints version of events and the panel's findings, we know nothing for sure.

One person we also haven't heard from is Will Salt himself. He is the one person in the country who knows everything.

Now Middlesbrough have become quieter. That tells me that they have nothing left to offer and have been told to shut up by their legal team.

My guess is that tomorrow, Saints will be found innocent of the worst charges, however, will be guilty of a technicality and will receive a small fine. Middlesbrough will then be censored for misrepresentating evidence and releasing it publicly before the allegations could be investigated. Hopefully the EFL will charge Middlesbrough too.
I would have thought their legal team should have told them to shut up before they leaked stories and pictures to the press and before they made their statement on Friday.
 
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ShakingDid he have any real comment on how much the public opinion thing potentially matters? I’d like to think “not at all”

The way Boro have conducted themselves most notably :

- the call by Gibson to Jordan and then him obviously changing position
- making it known they had hired “mr loophole”
- leaking the picture

And the biggest :

- the statement on Friday

Does seem to back up this “weak case and trying to get the press to decide it” view. But I’m speaking from bias

I’m hoping they get a charge or some kind of stern warning (that will hopefully be enough to discourage a further lawsuit against us) regardless of the outcome
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Nothing like a stern warning than a bit of fist shaking.

Give it to ‘em.
 
No news yet ?

On holiday in Cornwall got WiFi here in M&S St Austell .

Bugger all in cottage or mobile signal
You've got two choices.

1.You go back to your cottage, enjoy your holiday and be blissfully unaware of everything until you get home.
2. Buy yourself a new pair of underpants every morning until they announce WTF is going on.
 
Latest from the Northern Echo:

In ordinary circumstances, it could take an independent commission up to a fortnight to publish their judgement along with the written explanations for their findings.

Given that the Championship play-off final is due to take place on Saturday, though, the hope is that the verdict in this case will be issued within 24 hours of the hearing taking place. Written conclusions will then be published later in the summer.

The judgement will initially be delivered to the two legal teams involved in the case, before being more widely released.

Both the EFL, who are effectively mounting a case on Middlesbrough’s behalf, and Southampton, as the defending party, have a right of appeal against the judgement. An appeal would almost certainly mean that Saturday's final would have to be rescheduled.
 
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