Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL
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I think the public land part is mainly brought up as potential punishment mitigation. Not to try and support any kind of defence against wrong doing
They don't need to prove we benefitted for the EFL charges, we've breached the EFL regulations regardless by sending someone to watch. It's not a spirit of the law thing, it's an undeniable breach.
Proof of that would only be required if Boro wanted to start a separate civil action.
No idea what you're going on about re Edwards. They'd have had to give permission at the time for him to go.
ALl the receipt and photo do is corroborate that Salt was filming on his mobile. We do not know thr qualiry f what he was filming, whether it was passed on to the first team or whether we made use of it. Boro would need to prove this. It would be next to impossible to demonstrate that we benefitted from this. All we are concerned with are the EFL rules that were breached. I cannot see how Gibson can build a case on speculation . There is no chain of causation. I just think that 'Boro are flying a flag, knowing that their form had dipped and they were not favourites to beat Saints. The spy incident lets them off the hook from the fact that they blew finishing second,
Not true.
EFL Regulation 127 reads:
"Without prejudice to the requirements of Regulation 3.4 (that each Club shall behave towards each other Club with the utmost good faith), no Club shall directly or indirectly observe (or attempt to observe) another Club’s training session in the period of 72 hours prior to any match scheduled to be played between those respective Clubs."
There is no mention of anyone having to benefit from these actions. All they have to do is prove that someone from Southampton directly or indirectly observed their training session in the 72 hours prior to our match against each other.
EDIT: It should also be obvious that Southampton believed they would benefit from observing Middlesbrough's training session. You wouldn't send someone to the other end of the country if you didn't think you'd benefit from it.
Lobby
I am talking abiout Gibson suing Saints. I have made my point that the EFL disciplinary action is down to EFL. Any legal case presented by Gibson cannot succeed. The failure to get to the final was due to other factors like losing Edwardes and injuries. They had lost form losing the last 18 matches, I believe. There is no way Gibson can pin losing over 2 games to a bloke standing behind a tree with a mobile when they had been sh/y for the best prt f March and April.. It is laughable. The change in manager was the decisive factor in Middlesborough not reaching the play off final.
No, they don't. I'm not sure what you're not getting here?
For us to be in breach of the rule any benefit is completely irrelevant.
Right, I'm with you and in that case agree. It's what I've been saying since this morning.
Gibson suing us is a different thing entirely and it almost certainly wouldn't get all the way to court anyway. Neither side would want to risk losing so there'd almost certainly be a settlement agreed.
Puck
You are correct but I am talking about Gibson suing us and not EPL disciplinary. We have broken EPL rules , that is all.
It is one thing thinking you will benefit and another for Gibson proving that we did - unless you think that Salt and his mobile was more influential than Casper Jander. Not sure how you could prove you got benefit from this incident in a sport like football. We may have tried to get an advantage but it is different to proving we genuinely benefitted.
No chance we get kicked out play offs .
You cannot go NEAR an individuals personal financial transactions (for good reason) even the police would struggle and it would take an age.
I don't claim to be an expert, but I know more than most.
Prepare for the 10 o’clock press tonight with more vindication to banish us to the conference league.
I am speculating here but I think it will transpire that the scouts / coaching staff went behind Tonda's back on this. We will find out that someone knew about the security situation at Boro's training ground and thought they would take a punt by sending the intern up there without sanctioning it. I am sure that whoever sanctioned it thought they were not breaching anything so serious or were unaware of the consequences. I cannot see Tonda involved but I can see him being let down by someone senior in his staff,
Yep next year in the Championship will be spicy with Boro as our rivals.