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AshtonRed said:
As with football clubs, constantly changing the H/C, never works, stability is much better in the long run.
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Very true

But it seems to me that the trouble with the Labour Party is that no matter who is in charge, they just won’t be able to agree on most policies or get the necessary legislation through, as proved by the welfare amendments that the country needs, which the back benchers rejected
 
Red Robin said:
Gone tomorrow the devil is being removed for another slimy devil to take control
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Papers like the Express have been calling on Starmer to resign even before he completed his first hour of office, so for me it’s just been predictable ‘noise’ from the envious right wing press up till now.
Now however, with the local election thumping coming on the back of the Peter Mandelson scandal, I can’t see him staying - for the good of his party he needs to go.
I can see someone like Andy Burnham taking over - if the Labour Party want to recover any chance of being taken seriously.
 
Burnham isn’t even a MP so unless rules are bent or created to get around it I’m not sure he can be PM as things stand ?

Im pretty sure he can’t just be appointed into the post ?

It would need a sitting Labour MP to give up a safe seat to him or there to be a by-election and have him stand instead of the incumbent is my understanding.

With ministers now resigning and surely the most unpopular PM in British history. we now need a General Election

This Government isn’t fit for purpose and never was
They won with a landslide majority and they still managed to **** it up
 
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NOW IS NOT THE TIME for a GE sad though it is
2 things needed as a forefront of calming the chaos is get rid of MILLIBAND & 2 tears advisor and take a firmer stance on boat crossings.
2 tears Starmer must state he stands down before the Autumn conferences
 
Stability is what’s needed, not another G/E, the only people calling for that are ones that weren’t happy with the result of the last one, that’s not how democracy works, whoever’s in power.
As unpopular as Starmer is the best option is still for him to remain if at all possible , any alternative will involve time wasted, that should be better used dealing with the mess we’re in.
 
How come the BBC can track down the leading boat smuggler for the majority of illegal boat crossings and our brilliant 'Smash the Gangs' government haven't ?
As for the ensuing chaos presided over by Starmer it's pure pantomime.
No doubt best for the 'market' that he stays for 'stability' but everyone knows Starmer is a dead man walking, especially as his paymaster Unions have now called for him to go.
And didn't Ashton, sorry Starmer tell us Labour would end the chaos.
Pantomime.
Starmer will last until Burnham gets a sitting MP to resign.......unless Streeting finds a pair of balls sooner.
 
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AshtonRed said:
Stability is what’s needed, not another G/E, the only people calling for that are ones that weren’t happy with the result of the last one, that’s not how democracy works, whoever’s in power.
As unpopular as Starmer is the best option is still for him to remain if at all possible , any alternative will involve time wasted, that should be better used dealing with the mess we’re in.
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Starmer is a better option than some of the other idiots and borderline lunatics in the cabinet and elsewhere, but in their 2 years of ‘running the. Country’ things have got a lot worse all round for the vast majority of people.
From ridiculously high levels of taxation to record borrowing and yet they still want to carry on spending money we haven’t got, all the while law and order, immigration, cost of living, NHS, etc are out of control
What is going to change even if Starmer goes ?
 
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They inherited a mess, whoever won was on a hiding to nothing.
Anyone who says they can fix things quickly is lying. Don’t believe a word they say. It took years to get this bad and will take years to sort out
Unfortunately we live in times when people want a quick fix, they want things yesterday. It ain’t going to happen.
 
AshtonRed said:
They inherited a mess, whoever won was on a hiding to nothing.
Anyone who says they can fix things quickly is lying. Don’t believe a word they say. It took years to get this bad and will take years to sort out
Unfortunately we live in times when people want a quick fix, they want things yesterday. It ain’t going to happen.
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I agree with the inherited mess, but after 2 years I don’t see this Labour government have made a single thing better for the real citizens of this country and in a large part that’s been due to Starmer being a very poor communicator and not being able to see what the electorate want from his government
 
Seems every incoming government inherits a mess.....remember the famous note after Labour saying 'there's no money left'.
They're all useless.
I feel for the poor sods who, in 2024, thought Starmer and co were the answer.
It's worse and it will get much worse.......Labour have only been in power for 2 years......imagine another 2 years of these clowns !
May the Lord help us.
 
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Redprintt said:
Seems every incoming government inherits a mess.....remember the famous note after Labour saying 'there's no money left'.
They're all useless.
I feel for the poor sods who, in 2024, thought Starmer and co were the answer.
It's worse and it will get much worse.......Labour have only been in power for 2 years......imagine another 2 years of these clowns !
May the Lord help us.
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Sorry RP but without a GE it’s another 3 years of this shower !
 
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bcfcredandwhite said:
Starmer won the GE not because he or his party were popular, but because the electorate were sick to the back teeth of the 14 year Tory ****-show.
He won by default.
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But the main issue is that after 14 years in opposition they have made a total and utter balls up of coming to power and seemed totally unprepared for it
The results of last weeks local elections show exactly what the country thinks of them
 
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Angelicnumber16 said:
Much though I absolutely despise Starmer it could get a lot worse for the country if someone like the vile Rayner becomes PM
Labour accused the Tories of chaos but this is even worse
As usual they can’t see the irony in their own hypocrisy
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I’m torn here.
When BJ was PM, Starmer was calling for BJ to resign, when BJ had lost LESS seats than his Labour Party just did. He called his position untenable (or words to that effect).
Now that Labour has lost MORE councils and seats than BJ did back then, surely he should practice what he preached when he was in opposition? Otherwise he’s being a hypocrite.
Having said that, like you said, I would NOT want Raynor taking over, so maybe we all just have to sweat and PAY these next 3 years out and let political nature take its course?
 
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bcfcredandwhite said:
I’m torn here.
When BJ was PM, Starmer was calling for BJ to resign, when BJ had lost LESS seats than his Labour Party just did. He called his position untenable (or words to that effect).
Now that Labour has lost MORE councils and seats than BJ did back then, surely he should practice what he preached when he was in opposition? Otherwise he’s being a hypocrite.
Having said that, like you said, I would NOT want Raynor taking over, so maybe we all just have to sweat and PAY these next 3 years out and let political nature take its course?
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quite so
And if there’s not going to be an early election then I guess we’ve got no other choice either
 
Red Robin said:
If Starmer goes a snap election should happen.
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Why?, the last lot changed leader at least 3 times without a vote, as much as i disliked it, that’s how our constitution works, we vote for a party, not a leader. You can’t change things just because you didn’t like the fact your preferred party lost last time
 
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