More importantly the Boro fans seem to think they should be rewarded rather than Southampton punished. Which is nonsense
Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL
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I can't stop reading the Boro forum at the moment. It's like when your mate finally splits up with his crazy Mrs and you still get to read her absolutely mental outbursts on Facebook. I thought the skates were bad enough with their Portsmyths, but these lot are a whole new level of special.
If we win tomorrow and aren't kicked out the melt down will be glorious. I fully expect them to try and get Tonda to the Hague
If we win tomorrow and aren't kicked out the melt down will be glorious. I fully expect them to try and get Tonda to the Hague
The only problem with this line of argument is the more obviously relevant precedent that was set in the 2024 Women's Olympic tournament when Canada used a drone to spy on the New Zealand team's training sessions. That ended up with FIFA deducting 6 points from them and three members of their staff (including the head coach) were banned from all football for a year.
I'm not saying that's what's going to happen in our case but it's almost certainly more relevant than what Cantona did.
Unless there is evidence that the intern was sent by someone else (which I’m sure there is, how quickly that’s been deleted is the question) then this is what seems likely to me. A fine, points deduction for next season and the intern being banned from football for a year. Hopefully for the interns sake he gets a full years pay and a job when the ban is over from Saints for keeping his mouth shut
I could see them doing a suspended points deduction but, as you say, it's all about the detail and none of us know the details.
You'd hope the intern gets looked after. Goztepe is a multi-sports club so perhaps someone will quietly tell him that İzmir is a wonderful place to live and how interesting handball can be.
The difference is only Biesla's actions benefitted the team/club, and the club could not be suspected of being behind any of the others.
Our intern defence doesn't really make sense apart from if you view it through the lens of distancing the intern and Tonda. 'How can you touchline ban our manager because of something an intern in a different department did?' and I suspect that's all Saints are hoping to achieve by it. They'll take a big old fine any day of the week
Bielsa was doing it all season, he admitted to that. This, as far as we know is an isolated incident in a public place, hardly crime of the century!
I dunno, I think it makes perfect sense even though I don’t think it’s true.
“Football is a cut throat industry and very hard to break into. This individual went by himself to try and find out info to provide to the club to make himself look better and more knowledgeable when it came to analysing the opposition to further his career. The club knew nothing about his actions and have terminated his employment immediately on the allegations coming to light”
Leeds were punished as a club too so it's plainly untrue to say they weren't.
With regard to evidence, as no regular law was broken, how can the EFL gain this information?
The guy was acting alone and he was on a public hill, would we legally have to show our email/text records?
Anybody here know how these things work or is it all ifs, buts and maybes?
But what happens when, on instruction of Steve Gibson, the police raid both St Mary's and Staplewood and seize all electronic devices to be forensically examined? It could all fall apart.
They would request phone and email records I suspect to clear the club from instructing him to do it.
Whether legally we would have to do it is another matter that I don’t know. If we have nothing to hide then we’d probably agree to it. If we don’t it probably confirms that he was told to do it but, as always with legal cases, it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove
FIFA and EFL are completely different though. So is using a drone in presumably an area they couldn't get to(hence the drone) Vs using a mobile phone on a public right of way!
We wouldn't be under any obligation to turn anything over but they could probably throw a non-cooperation charge at us if we didn't.
On your last line while that saying is correct the threshold in this matter will be on the balance of probability, it won't require an extremely high burden of proof.
Depends on the punishment. If they can prove it without any doubt then the punishment could be a lot more severe. If there is any dispute and the punishment is severe then Saints will appeal.
As I said earlier I think the EFL will want this done quickly so will give a punishment that Saints are happy to just accept and not appeal. If we win tomorrow then that punishment is not going to be enough for Boro so will rumble on. If they win tomorrow then they won’t care as much
Yeah agree with that, the EFL will desperately be hoping Boro win for that reason.